Holyfield, Tyson, Bowe, Vitali, Wilder, Wlad competition analysis

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  1. eltirado

    eltirado Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Listed from best competition to worse by ratio of competition in the first 31 fights

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    31-0-0 (KO 28 ) vs 428-150-18, 2.9-1 ratio, Bowe
    30-1-0 (KO 29 ) vs 597-212-19, 2.8-1 ratio, Vitali
    30-1-0 (KO 21 ) vs 663-241-52, 2.8-1 ratio, Liston
    30-1-0 (KO 20 ) vs 556-209-22, 2.7-1 ratio, Dimitrenko
    31-0-0 (KO 27 ) vs 466-181-08, 2.6-1 ratio, Mesi
    31-0-0 (KO 22 ) vs 405-162-19, 2.5-1 ratio, Holmes
    31-0-0 (KO 20 ) vs 665-268-16, 2.5-1 ratio, Nielsen
    31-0-0 (KO 31 ) vs 428-196-19, 2.2-1 ratio, Wilder
    30-1-0 (KO 27 ) vs 592-295-25, 2.0-1 ratio, Wlad
    30-1-0 (KO 25 ) vs 367-187-16, 2.0-1 ratio, Tua
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  2. Robney

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    what exactly is Windmiller doing in between those names? :blood
     
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  3. Slyk

    Slyk Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    A can is a can.

    Just because a guy is 20-0 doesn't mean he isn't a can.

    Look at Darnell Boone. Look at Ross Purrity. Ugly records but a hell of a lot stronger a test than some 20-0 can feasting on debut fighters.
     
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  4. eltirado

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    Irrational haters always question his competition level, so the numbers shows where he stands

    His 31 first fights were not the same caliber competition as Mike Tyson, definitely far from Holyfield competition. However his competition level is lower than Vitali and above Wlad, which both have decent level competition. A class above Grant and Tucker

    I was surprised and impressed, by Holyfield ultra high competition...so this thread is a reminder for the mis-informed...As I used to feel Vitali and Holyfield faced similar competition...So Holyfield ATG status definitely elevated a bit more in my book :think
     
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  5. eltirado

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    You can't deny the numbers expose the BS, Boone has a high level competition...higher than what Wlad or Wilder faced...good Ws too :good

    Competition faced (quantity exposes freak shows feasting on debuts) thats why we posted the total records...nobody beating this simple formula...Its not some BOgus ranking formula that can be easily trolled and exposed as promotional tool for low iq ppl :yep

    Holy a league ahead of everyone at 31 first fights already faced wars...seldom lost 30-1
     
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  6. C.J.

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    You failed to name the man thjat was head and shoulders above them all

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  7. eltirado

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    Listed from best competition to worse by ratio of competition in the first 31 fights

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    31-0-0 (KO 28 ) vs 428-150-18, 2.9-1 ratio, Bowe
    30-1-0 (KO 29 ) vs 597-212-19, 2.8-1 ratio, Vitali
    30-1-0 (KO 20 ) vs 556-209-22, 2.7-1 ratio, Dimitrenko
    31-0-0 (KO 27 ) vs 466-181-08, 2.6-1 ratio, Mesi
    31-0-0 (KO 22 ) vs 405-162-19, 2.5-1 ratio, Holmes
    31-0-0 (KO 20 ) vs 665-268-16, 2.5-1 ratio, Nielsen
    31-0-0 (KO 31 ) vs 428-196-19, 2.2-1 ratio, Wilder
    30-1-0 (KO 27 ) vs 592-295-25, 2.0-1 ratio, Wlad
    30-1-0 (KO 25 ) vs 367-187-16, 2.0-1 ratio, Tua
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  8. eltirado

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    I think Lennox Lewis is above Tyson, below Holy...I am counting him next...just done Morrison who fitted just right under Wlad, clearly above Grant
     
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  9. eltirado

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    Lennox Lewis 31 first fights
    670-210-19

    Double checking before I add it
     
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  10. eltirado

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    Listed from best competition to worse by ratio of competition in the first 31 fights

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    31-0-0 (KO 28 ) vs 428-150-18, 2.9-1 ratio, Bowe
    30-1-0 (KO 29 ) vs 597-212-19, 2.8-1 ratio, Vitali
    30-1-0 (KO 20 ) vs 556-209-22, 2.7-1 ratio, Dimitrenko
    31-0-0 (KO 27 ) vs 466-181-08, 2.6-1 ratio, Mesi
    31-0-0 (KO 22 ) vs 405-162-19, 2.5-1 ratio, Holmes
    31-0-0 (KO 20 ) vs 665-268-16, 2.5-1 ratio, Nielsen
    31-0-0 (KO 31 ) vs 428-196-19, 2.2-1 ratio, Wilder
    30-1-0 (KO 27 ) vs 592-295-25, 2.0-1 ratio, Wlad
    30-1-0 (KO 25 ) vs 367-187-16, 2.0-1 ratio, Tua
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  11. The Mongoose

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    The time it took to reach 30 pro fights:

    Wlad: 3 years
    Wilder: 5 years
    Tyson : 3 years
    Bowe: 3 years

    Wilder is about two years behind these guys. He is on pace with Vitali and busier than Holyfield but the problem is: Evander was the lineal CW Champion in just his 11th pro fight.

    Vitali in his first three years had already won the WBO title from Hide, faced respectable fringe fighters in Sullivan and Billups, a hot prospect in Hoffman, and a RING top 10 contender in Chris Byrd. And people weren't impressed with Vitali than either.

    People are right to question Wilder's record at this stage, the competition isn't there to justify such a slow upbringing.
     
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  12. eltirado

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    Time is a poor basis to analyze a career, Vitali competition os above Wilder & Wlad...I could care less how old he was

    The problem with Holyfield is that he went out of his way to find the hardest fights possible and managed to win 30 out 31...Nobody is even close to Holyfield...Wilder competition fits with the Klitschko brothers, above Morrison & Grant, below Tyson & Lewis

    Holyfield belongs in a class of his own...I added him to highlight the proximity in competition level between Wilder & the Klitschkos...Wilder was brought up as a modern heavyweight, like many prospects...he managed to KO everyone so we are supposed to insult him :huh
     
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  13. The Mongoose

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    31-0 (KO 28 ) vs 428-150-18, 2.9-1 ratio - Bowe
    30-1 (KO 29 ) vs 597-212-19, 2.8-1 ratio - Vitali
    31-0 (KO 31 ) vs 428-196-19, 2.2-1 ratio - Wilder
    30-1 (KO 27 ) vs 592-295-25, 2.0-1 ratio - Wlad
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    The Mongoose, Mar 11, 2014
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  14. The Mongoose

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    Time is a poor basis on its own merit, not in the context I provided.

    Actually, Povetkin belongs in a class of his own. You can't deny the numbers.

    Competition faced (quantity exposes freak shows feasting on debuts) thats why we posted the total records...nobody beating this simple formula...Its not some BOgus ranking formula that can be easily trolled and exposed as promotional tool for low iq ppl :yep
     
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  15. eltirado

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    Gary Mason 31-0 (KO 28 ) falls perfectly between Grant and Morrison
     
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