Holyfield, Tyson, Bowe, Vitali, Wilder, Wlad competition analysis

Why this is rubbish.

Byrd in his first 31 fights had already met a RING top 10 contender in Ike. Two fighters who less than a year previously had lost RIING top 10 spots to Lennox Lewis in Jackson and Butler, as well as a good number of formidble fringe contenders and gate keepers in Bert Cooper, Jeff Wooden, Jimmy Thunder, Levi Billups, Ross Puritty, and Eleiser Castillo.

I think most of these guys are more of a test for a developing prospect than the sad old ghosts of Harrison and Liakhovick. They would have at least got some rounds in, Wilder needs someone like Wooden, Billups, and Puritty before stepping up or he's going to get the Cooney and Foster treatment. Cooney and Foster at least didn't carry out the charade this long. We'll see what happens in the Scott fight, as far as I'm concerned this is first step up, this is his Jimmy Thunder on Tuesday Night Fights.

 

At first I agreed with you but after seeing the list compiled I changed my mind. This is a very good thread with Facts and Statistics. So you would be wrong.

 

Not really, numbers never tell the whole story. Who these guys actually fought:

Red=RING top 5 in world at the time
bold=RING top 10 at time
italic=rated previously or in future

Peter: Williams, Wlad,

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, and McCline

Tyson: Tillus,

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, and Biggs.

Lewis: Mason, Billups,

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, Bruno, Jackson, McCall, Butler, Morrison, and Mercer.

Bowe: Thomas, Coetzer, Tubbs, Biggs, Seldon, Cooper, Big Foot.

Vitali: Hide, Sullivan. Byrd, Hoffman, Norris, Bean.

Wilder: Harrison, Liakhovik

Wlad: Puritty, Big Foot x2, Schulz

Byrd: Ibeabuchi, Billups, Jackson, Butler, Thunder, Wooden, Puritty, Cooper.

Tua: Izon, Tubbs, Oleg, Ibeabuchi, Ruiz, Wilson.

Grant: Izon, Golota, Savarese, Butler, Sullivan, Wooden, Cole, Puritty, Gonzales.


Nobody in their right mind can conclude Wilder's opposition was better than Grant's, Tua's, or Byrd's at that stage of their career. They have a better win/loss ratio total but it's fool's gold. Grant for instance had already met multiple top 10 contenders.

Peter shouldn't be above Tyson either, Peter did well for himself but Tyson cleaned out the top 10 and unified the titles within his first 30 fights.

 

No your wrong because Deontay Wilder's KO of 15-0 Damon McCreary is not anywhere close to as good as Mike Tyson's KOof 15-0 Tyrell Biggs.
Or am I wrong?

It's so ridiculous I don't even have to explain myself, lol.

 

But it's not really stats showing competition. It's stats showing records.
The stats cannot read between the lines.
According to the stats the win for Wilder over McCreary earns him as many points as Tysons win over Biggs based solely on both opponents being 15-0.
The analysis does not take into account how much better Biggs was at 15-0 than McCreary at 15-0.

BTW Larry Holmes, Ali, Marciano, Joe Lewis, Foreman, Norton, Fraizier, Liston, Patterson....Who else can we speak in the same breath as Wilder lol.
They all had at least 30-1 records.

 

Like I said when I first read this thread a few days ago I thought it was silly but after looking at it this list has merit. Of course there are going to be outliers in any statistical list like this an example would be Sam Peter he was fed A LOT of Glass Jawed bums in his career before he fought Wlad and lost.

This list isn't the end all and be all of competition but it at least gives us an idea of where certain fighters are at. I think it is very interesting.

 

True.

Vitali scores higher on those stats than his brother, but Wlad's opposition is WAY better than Vitali's.

 

What about all the fighters from the 60's and 70's that I mentioned earlier?

 

As for modern fighters how about Malik Scott he just happens to be Deontay Wilder next opponent

 

Did anyone mention Lou Savarese yet?