The "All Things Mayweather/Pacquiao" Express!!!!!!

If he would have stayed on the Pretty Boy path and kept the same record I would agree he was the best ever. As soon as he got the fame and attention he just milked it. As a businessman I understand, as a boxing fan I can't call him the greatest.

 

Like how Pacquiao won his first title

 

:good

 

...but then you turn around and say "pacman doesn't deserve to fight him"
over the last 4-5 years, people have been interested in one fight.
it was the most meaningful fight in both men's career, arguably the biggest test of Floyd (and manny's career), and it's the one fight that doesn't get made - despite the insane revenue it would've brought in.

you can't say "there are no holes in his game" while this giant hole remains

 

I hate when people say that. Winning is most important. A Loss is A Loss. If all fighters were capable of going undefeated throughout their careers then they would. No one wants to lose.

 

Molinares was lucky against Starling....lucky that he got to keep his title even after they ruled it a NC because it was after the bell

 

Yes, when PAC caught hatton he had his head down and eyes closed

 

LIKE THIS... The only thing the play contributes is throwing the ball at the basket, just like the player contributes by pulling the lever to get the jackpot at the slots... They're the same thing...

Like I said, unless he actually practices half court shots, it's a random spot of luck the ball went in, just like hitting the jackpot... Stick around for my answer below

First of all, Marquez wasn't one of the shots I was arguing was lucky, just the opposite...

Second of all, all that information makes sense IF and only IF the fighter, the basketball player shooting from half court, or the quarter back, were all for sure doing math in their head in order to succeed in their respective goal...

I can believe a quarterback is doing math in his head during this event, but a (for the sake of argument) high school level basketball player shooting a half court game winner isn't doing math, he's praying... If it goes in, he did every equation correctly BY ACCIDENT... A random event... Slot machines...

Same goes for the boxer that throws and lands the perfect shot... Unless he's a skilled tactician like Marquez, it's more than possible all he's doing is throwing a punch, and it just so happened to occur at the perfect time... I'd consider that lucky... By definition

 

Prime 135 Duran smothers him and hurts him over 15 rds. He wouldn`t give PBF any real estate to work in. 1978 Duran too much everything for Floyd...SRL drops and stops PBF in the 13 rd. Way too much firepower and intensity for PBF. SRL`s speed was right there with PBF,big difference here is SRL`s POWER and combination punching. Hearns ? By brutal,and I mean absolutely brutal early KO... Chavez is close,decision could go either way. But 1978 Duran, 1981 SRL,1981 Hearns are in a whole other league than PBF. Who in truth, would never sign to face the likes of these TRUE greats...

 

Since I said Castillo is an ATG LW I guess your talking to me who did Mosley beat of note at LW and who of note did Castillo beat at LW Mosley was the GGG of LW lots of hype but no substance Mosleys claim to glory came at WW. Since people like to focus on singular wins if you feel Castillo won the first fight he has a better win than anything in Mosley's career.

People in this thread keep saying he didn't fight the best who are these guys he didn't fight that are the "best" Pacquiao & I guess Tyzu the fact is there is no fighter that has shared a weight class with Mayweather he wouldn't be favored against. Who are thes guys Mayweather didn't fight that he loses to.

What are these great challenges most world champs beat in history, tied for most Lineal Titles, one of 6 fighters to win a legit title in 5 weight classes, and beat the #1 rated guy twice in 5 division, outside of a MW Title what's left, people romanticize these older fighters like there unbeatable when in all honestly Mayweather, Hoya, Hopkins, & Mosley would give Leonard, Duran, Hagler, & Hearns hell win or lose and they all can win, not to sound like a Kahn fan but if a 16 yr old Mayweather can give Whitaker hell in sparing prime Mayweather can surely beat him. I personally don't think he's unbeatable everybody loses so what but the closes I've seen to Mayweather to an off night he still won.

I'm a sports fan and I understand you really can't change someone's opinion on something involving sports to easily loyalties and ties are to deep, I just enjoy a good debate but imo hating on Mayweather is like hating on Jordan while your complaining your missing history and greatness. Nobody thought Jordan was going to lose in the Finals and he never lost in the finals, Nobody thought Prime Shaq with the Lakers were going to lose they won two in a row because they were better than everybody else.

we can go back and forth about why the Pacquiao fight didn't happen at the end of the day the so called biggest threat to Mayweather in his career was still at best a 60/40(FM/MP) underdog and Pac's an ATG I personally never thought Pacquiao would will I sigured it would end up like May-Chavez or May-Hatton, May-Martinez is the real Legacy fight simply because Martinez is skill an P4P and obviously the MW Crown if Mayweather retires undefeated as Lineal MW Champ I wouldn't argue anyone who would say he's top 10 .

I always figured if he went for the MW Title it would more than likely be his last fight who new in 10" he's was going to end up fighting 9 times through 15' with his lasts bouts in sight if he's does go for the MW Title regardless if its Martinez, GGG, Alavrez, or Cotto. Its big it personally out of them all Alvarez comes out on top, I'm a Martinez fan but he's 39/40 often injuryed and ready to be upset I'll still root for Martinez as A fan but Cotto is a HOFer, Martinez is just great it wouldn't shock me if Cotto won but it would be just like Cotto to lose. I can see Cotto upsetting Martinez, an Alvarez beating Cotto in a "superfight" for the Lineal MW Title. Alvarez Golovkin would be a great fight, people will discredit Alvarez but even Golovkin has said the best fighter he's ever been in with is Alvarez.

I don't think Alvarez won but that Alavrez fight as far as rounds won was closer than Cotto/Hoya/Judah to me if Alvarez ends up lineal MW champ next year he'd have taken on a combination of these fighter..long winded post

 

Manny has **** defense, marquez loaded up and knocked it out of the park

props to manny for giving marquez all those rematches, he was really playing with fire

 

Duran always bad problenr with speed movement and defense pbf wouldnt play his game. As for Chavez he was shown to be outboxed. No blueprint on pbf he beats both going away.

 

Luck has nothing to do with it. You throw the punch, your opponent doesn't defend it - KO.

Your definition is strange too (although we all know exactly which KO you had in mind). Even if you've lost every round, if you lull your opponent in and time him perfectly and KO him, that isn't luck. That's excellent boxing.

 

Pimp, I got your argument... I just think that truly vintage Duran 135, could crowd him enough and smother him to beat him. I do think PBF has speed,boxing ability and slick defense to maybe beat him. I feel his punch output would be to low to control Duran. Chavez gets trickier to call. Meldrick Taylor maybe laid out the blueprint for PBF to beat Chavez. But again, Taylor was busier with his hands than PBF... Hey we can agree to disagree ...But, I don`t think PBF stands any chance at all against Leonard or Hearns... Oh, I almost forgot... Aaron Pryor (82 version) eats PBF alive ... Fast hands,powerful shots and way too much will to win for PBF... Pryor all night long...Kind of comical thinking of PBF trying to flee from the fleet-footed Pryor !!

 

Let me put it to this way. If you practice basketball, your chance of making a shot increase than if you don't play basketball. Sure a novice can step on the court and drain a few shots consecutively or even five in a row. Sooner or later, that novice will start missing shots because in order to make shots consistently, you have to make your muscles get used to a good shooting motion, which occurs when you practice shooting.

Now, whether you pull a lever all your life, or if you pull a lever for the first time, you will have the same odds of winning. There is no skill involved in playing slots. Winning at slots is completely random. I can pull the lever fast, slow, medium and everything in between and my odds still won't increase. I can pull the lever, with my hand, foot, arm, head, my ass and dick, it still won't matter. If you practice playing basketball, then you will make more shots obviously.

That's not to say a novice making a few shots is luck. It's not hard to make a basket. Throw the ball in the hoop, im sure anyone can understand that and come up with a strategy to make a shot. If your shot hits the back iron, use less force next time. If it comes up short, then use more force. Bottom line is one requires skill, and the other doesn't. One will make you better the more you practice it, the other won't. I have still yet to see your logic on how the two are similar event?:huh