Did Scott take a dive?

I see most people on other sites are in agreement with the poll result here.

I know you like Wilder but come on, IB!

It was very obvious Scott wasn't seriously hurt and could easily have beaten the count. Look at his face and clear eyes.

 

Not saying you are wrong on this IB but you are wrong to think that that 70% are definitely wrong.. If that makes sense.

Its understandable for people to suspect a dive/fix as it has many of the ingredients of one, just as it is understandable for people to think its all above board. Dismissing either possibility (i.e. thinking its definitely was or wasn't a dive/fix) is the only wrong opinion here imo

 

You are dumb. How can you NOT see it was an obvious dive, fight was fixed. Anyone who doesn't see that, must be blind or something.

 

come on , IB. :twisted: he didnt even try to get up dont be so obtuse

 

you guys are stupid with the dive crap

 

Let's put it this way. Whether or not Wilder was complicit (and I don't really think he was), Scott seemed to be looking for the first exit available. That was not much of an effort on his part.

 

WHAT?!?!??

Please find me a post demonstrating this?

I have been critical of his entire pro run. It has mostly been a sham of careful matchmaking. He would probably get blasted out by the likes of Seth Mitchell, let alone Tyson Fury (though in a chaotic shootout as both matches would be, there would be the chance of him connecting first and putting their lights out before they could switch off his).

Dude has a glass jaw, padded record and is overprotected.

...and I actually like Scott quite a bit and was rooting for him last night.

That said, Wilder, if there was premeditation involved on Scott's part, was in no apparent way 'in on it', and landed a legit hook that hurt and dropped Scott.

Either it was a quit job because Scott was scared of getting hit with more, or because he was paid off. Either way, if you ask me Wilder's hands are clean in this - and no, I'm not really a Wilder backer.

 

You aren't wrong about that, but you're wrong to suggest I'm the one too hastily dismissing anything. The people shrieking about how it was DEFINITELY a fix are the ones discounting the possibility it wasn't. There is no solid reason to believe it definitely was, so at the end of the day all that can be said about it was that Scott quit. People aren't leaving it at that, however. They are insisting that everyone agree it was a fix. My opinion is that it probably wasn't, just a quit job. Their opinion is that it was. The only fact is that Scott quit. None of us but Scott (and perhaps his co-conspirators, if applicable) know why he quit, and parading out silly bits of "evidence" like a stupid wink is just ridiculous. All we know, and all that really matters, is that he quit. Scott is a disgrace to his craft either way, no matter whether he was paid to bottle it or simply did so in the moment because he is a weak-kneed girly man. That is the bottom line. Everybody is hell bent on making the bottom line how it was a big rigged conspiracy, and completely dismissing the idea that it wasn't one. So, you know, maybe take your own advice. :hi:

 

I've changed my mind. It was no fix and no dive.

Chi knockouts exist in boxing.

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:roll: Ha...ha.

It wasn't a clean knockout, nor was it necessarily a backstage handshake deal.

It doesn't necessarily have to be option A or B.

Why is everybody ruling out the simplest answer, Option C, Scott is a giant puss-bag and stayed down even though he could have gotten up from nothing more than fear of getting hit with anything harder? :huh

 

IB you missed the wink lol

 

Yeah, well put, it came across to me first that you were dismissing everyone who thought it was a dive/fix as opposed to the people that were definite that it was (and the people going on about the wink which was stupid). People who are definite it was or wasn't I think are wrong because we don't know either way and I thought you were one of those.

 

I don't think so, I think Wilder's left hook landed behind the ear and those shots can really rock you and take away you're balance then that right hand through the gloves looked like it might have caught some of Scott's chin and certainly sent the off balance Scott to the canvas. I think the combination of the two led to Scott never being able to regain his balance to get up. Boxing is strange like that in some of my amateur fights there's been punches that I remember hurting me but when I watch the video after the fight it doesn't look like an effective shot I think that may have been the case here. Wilder's got some scary power IMO still it'll be interesting to see when he faces someone who can deal with it and take him rounds Stiverne or Arrelola are two guys who I could see doing this.

 

I obviously have no way of knowing for a fact whether Scott was paid off to lose before he entered the ring. None of us do.

I don't believe that he was, or that it serves as the simplest (and therefore statistically most likely correct) explanation. I do acknowledge that is as much a matter of my opinion as people frothing at the mouth about it being a fix is a matter of theirs. :good

 

No. I addressed the damn wink already. :readthre: