What has more value when scoring afight Jabs or powerpunches for instance lets say ..

fighter A lands 10 jabs on fighter B and no power punches while moving away and keeping out of distance and fighter B forces the fight is coming forward and lands 6 power shots and no jabs who wins the rd?

I'm from the old school where I've come to see a fight not a track meet or morse code battle its the pro game not amateur boxing and so I would give it to the power puncher.

what about you what's your philosophy?

 

If you were from the old school you'd like the guy who boxed the best regardless of coming forward or moving to the side.

 

this isn't about boxing styles. its about scoring! why not just answer the question about how you score a fight and why? it is interesting as a fan to see the divergent views on this issue

 

A few things to take into account...

First thing, are we actually seeing these punches land, or are we looking at the compubox/showstats AFTER the fight? For example, I didn't see Garcia landing as many power shots as the showstats claimed... Most of his punches hit AIR or GLOVES

Second thing, we know how much they land, but what do they look like in the round? Pressing the action means absolute dick if ur not being affective...

Thirdly, the only TRUE subjective parts of boxing scoring is do u credit a guy that's throwing punches vs landing punches and do u give a guy with more power MORE credit for the same amount of punches... Some people give credit for combinations that hit nothing but glove, others only look for punches that land clearly (which makes more sense in my opinion). And some people would give known power punchers like Garcia or Pacquiao more credit for his power shits than they would guys like Bradley or Herrera

 

As an old schooler, I agree with you 100%.

This is a boxing match, not a ballet or dance party. We are here to see combat, not aesthetics. Therefore, the power punching and aggression is what we are here to see. On that basis, I give that type of fighter more points. You don't change the horse in mid-stream and you don't change the scoring system in favor of the aesthete just because a certain boxer may be more popular. As a boxing fan it is what I have done for over 50 years and what I plan on doing as long as I watch this great sport.

 

like the way you phrase "Im here to see combat not aesthetics", too many people get mesmerized by skill sets and technique and forget this is supposed to be a fight. Playing keep away is not boxing.

 

Makes no sense. if fighter A is moving away and keeping distance then how does fighter B land 6 power shots? Obviously hes not keeping distance so the round would go to fighter B especially if any of those shots hurt fighter A.

 

I think people get confused by the term 'power punches'. For instance, let's say a fighter has little power (think Malignaggi), he can still throw 'power' punches, they just won't have a concussive effect.

At the end of the round, you should basically score it for whom ever you would rather be when the bell sounded. Whether or not he does that with jabs or overhand rights, by dancing laterally or bulling forward behind a high guard.

 

The problem is that what constitutes a power punch is subjective.

For example I saw Herrera bust up Garcia's nose and snap his head back with a jab. None of Garcia's "power punches" had any effect.

If the power does not show how can you score rounds for a fighter who is landing less? It is too subjective. The fighter has to show damage.

 

In your example, assuming these were stereotypical jabs and not GGG jabs that feel like a straight left, I'd give it to the guy landing the 6 power shots, assuming his aggression was effective aggression.

Judging boxing is subjective, so there aren't many hard rules of judging. I give power shots more weight than jabs if they are doing more damage than jabs. Some boxers' jabs can do as much or more damage than an opponent's power shots. In these rare situations, the jabs may be equal to power shots, etc. Also, cleanly landed jabs vs partially blocked or rolled power shots may be scored so that the jabs are superior. Anyway, one could write on this topic all day because it is so subjective.

 

Would depend on how hard those "power" punches are. Technically a slapping arm punch that is thrown as a hook that lands is a power punch. It is all subjective, I would go with whoever was landing the cleaner more effective shots

 

Indeed. In all my years of watching pro boxing this is the first time I have seen people openly state that aesthetics wins out over substance. I cannot understand what caused this sudden change of horse in midstream but I'll keep it in mind the next time this issue comes up.

As for the damage on Garcia's face, much of it came from the Herrera's head butts. Referee failed to deduct points for these infractions. Had I been ref, I would have deducted points (and therefore, a round or two) from Herrera's accumulated total.

Garcia won the match fair and square albeit with a small margin. Nonetheless, a legit win. Hopefully, some day there will be a rematch. Good luck to both fighters.

 

The power punch argument doesn't work in this fight. Danny's face looked worse, Danny was the one getting his head snapped back by jabs and he got outlanded. No case to be made for Garcia.

 

Broner vs Malignaggi, Canelo vs Trout. Two examples of the power puncher winning over the high volume jabber. I believe you can out work a guy throwing the jab, but if the other guy lands 2/3 hard clean power punches it wins him the round. It's not as simple as that, but I believe judges are more likely to award the power puncher the round over the jabber.

 

Is that you Laurence Cole?