Should Mayweather be Fighting Cotto's Opponents

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  1. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    and Cotto be fighting Mayweathers? Since 2007 Miguel Cotto has fought Margarito, Mayorga, Pacquiao, Mayweather, Trout, and is set to fight Martinez. Mayweather fought an old lightweight Marquez, old Mosley, old Cotto, Alvarez (by far his best win since 2007), Ortiz, Guerrero, and is set to fight Maidana. If we flipped these opponents wouldn't they be about right?
     
  2. blackbolt396

    blackbolt396 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Now add a shot to **** Mayorga and the second fight with Margo was a shell of a fighter and last but not less a guy with one good leg. Man this **** gets old.
     
  3. Brian

    Brian Well-Known Member Full Member

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    "Old" lightweight Marquez who KTFO Pacquiao years later, "old" Mosley (P4P #3, Consensus #1 WW at the time) who Pacquiao ducked, and old Cotto who Pacquiao refused to fight at 154.

    If you're going to slight fighters, keep it all the way 100.

    What would be "right" about flipping the opponents?
     
  4. blackbolt396

    blackbolt396 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Man this is just some bull**** agenda.
     
  5. HolyCityBully

    HolyCityBully Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Troll thread.

    Dont bother.
     
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  7. HoldMyBeer

    HoldMyBeer Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Floyd won't be fighting at 160 - hell, I seriously doubt he'll be fighting at 154 again
     
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    pedjr's primitive skills not enough for 6th div. only for bums.
     
  9. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    Cotto's regularly fought the best competition he could find. He didn't get De La Hoya, but he got Shane Mosley back when the dude was still dangerous in 2007. Both fought Zab Judah around the same time. Prior to 2008 I think Mayweather had tougher opponents like Ricky Hatton, Castillo, and Corrales, whereas Cotto only had Malignaggi and Quintana, but in the last six to seven years Cotto's opposition has definitely been superior, even though his abilities are inferior to Mayweather's.

    I found myself thinking that I'd rather see Cotto fight Maidana and Mayweather fight Martinez, which led me down this train of thought. One fighter is biting off more than he can chew and the other less. It seems weird that Cotto should be willing to fight at 160 when he's only 5'7" with 67" of reach while Mayweather won't chance it being 5'8" with 72" of reach. Sergio is bigger than either at 5'10" 73" reach. Cotto doesn't really have a chance against Martinez, whereas he still might be able to pull out a W against Maidana who's more his size 5'7" 69" reach, which makes him either gutsy or just cynical enough to take a paycheck for a beating.
     
  10. Stylez G.

    Stylez G. Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Cotto is thicker guy than Mayweather. Cotto walks around in the 170's. Mayweather is usually in the 150's. If it were all about height and reach, Paul Williams would've been fighting at HW. Mayweather is not a MW. Why would he fight there when he can get 10's of millions to fight at a weight where he can be at his best?
     
  11. iceferg

    iceferg Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yeah he would have lost a few if he had as well.
     
  12. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yeah Maywather should be fighting Cotto's opponents. Mayweather vs Yuri Foreman is the fight that the fans want to see. Make it happen Floyd! :deal
     
  13. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    There's a lot of funny business with the weights these days, which is why I like to look more at the height and reach measurements. People move around within the weights for various reasons.

    People can be a little thicker or slimmer but one thing I do know: Cotto absolutely does not walk around in the 170s. Not unless he's completely gone to fat. He's been training to get his weight high for the Martinez fight and he mentioned recently that he'd been walking around at around 163, and that's probably from a lot of weight training and bulking up. I don't doubt that Mayweather can walk around in the 150s, but that's probably more to do with how disciplined he is and how fit he keeps himself year round. Other guys his size often bulk up to 160s in between fights, and that was about what he looked like when he fought Marquez. Of course, we'll never know for sure because Mayweather hasn't weighed in the night of the fight since he fought Oscar De La Hoya.

    For your information, Paul Williams wouldn't be a heavyweight. Historically, his measurements are the same as the light-heavyweight champions. And you could tell that was where his career was going to end up just like Thomas Hearns did. He was already a top middleweight when he was paralyzed. I take it as a given he'd have gone up at least to super middleweight.

    Lightweight Champions Measurements

    Name height/reach
    Manny Pacquiao 5'6.5"/67"

    Roberto Duran 5'7"/66"
    Ken Buchanan 5'7.5"/70"
    Ismael Laguna 5'9"/68"
    Mando Ramos 5'9"/71.5"
    Carlos Teo Cruz 5'6.5"/68"
    Carlos Ortiz 5'7"/70"
    Ismael Laguna 5'9"/68"
    Carlos Ortiz 5'7"/70"
    Joe Brown 5'7.5"/68"
    Wallace Bud Smith 5'6.5"/68"
    Jimmy Carter 5'6"/68"
    Paddy Demarco 5'6"/70"
    Jimmy Carter 5'6"/68"
    Lauro Salas 5′ 6″/67.5"
    Jimmy Carter 5'6"/68"
    Ike Williams 5'9"/68"
    Juan Zurita 5'5"/66"
    Beau Jack 5'6"/68.5"
    Bob Montgomery 5'7.5"/71"
    Beau Jack 5'6"/68.5"
    Sammy Angott 5'7.5"/70"
    Lew Jenkins 5'8"/68"
    Lou Ambers 5'4.5"/70"
    Henry Armstrong 5'5.5"/67"
    Lou Ambers 5'4.5"/70"
    Tony Canzoneri 5'4"/65"
    Barney Ross 5'7"/67"
    Tony Canzoneri 5'4"/65"
    Al Singer 5'4.5"/?
    Sammy Mandell 5'7"/67"
    Rocky Kansas 5'2"/63"
    Jimmy Goodrich 5'4"/65.5"
    Benny Leonard 5'5"/69"
    Freddie Welsh 5'7"/68.5"
    Willie Ritchie 5'7.5"/67"
    Ad Wolgast 5'4.5"/65.5"
    Battling Nelson 5'7.5"/67.5"
    Joe Gans 5'6.5"/71"

    Welterweight Champions Measurements

    Floyd Mayweather Jr. 5'8"/72"

    Lloyd Honeyghan 5'8"/69"
    Donald Curry 5'9.5"/72"
    Ray Leonard 5'10"/74"
    Jose Napoles 5'7.5"/72"
    Billy Backus 5'7"/69"
    Jose Napoles 5'7.5"/72"
    Curtis Cokes 5'8"/73"
    Emile Griffith 5'7.5"/72"
    Luis Manuel Rodriguez 5′ 8″/74"
    Emile Griffith 5'7.5"/72"
    Benny Paret 5'7.5"/?
    Emile Griffith 5'7.5"/72"
    Benny Paret 5'7"/?
    Don Jordan 5'9"/70"
    Virgil Akins 5'9"/73"
    Carmen Basilio 5'6.5"/?
    Johnny Saxton 5'8"/?
    Carmen Basilio 5'6.5"/?
    Tony Demarco 5'5"/?
    Johnny Saxton 5'8"/?
    Kid Gavilan 5'10.5"/71"
    Johnny Bratton 5'10"/?
    Ray Robinson 5'11"/72.5"
    Marty Servo 5'7"/?
    Freddie Cochrane 5'7.5"/?
    Fritzie Zivic 5'10"/71"
    Henry Armstrong 5'5.5"/67"
    Barney Ross 5'7"/67"
    Jimmy McLarnin 5'6"/67"
    Barney Ross 5'7"/67"
    Jimmy McLarnin 5'6"/67"
    Young Corbett III 5'7.5"/?
    Jackie Fields 5'7.5"/69"
    Joe Dundee 5'7"/?
    Pete Latzo 5'7.5"/68"
    Mickey Walker 5'7"/67"
    Jack Britton 5'8"/70"
    Ted Lewis 5'7.5"/69"
    Jack Britton 5'8"/70"
    Ted Lewis 5'7.5"/69"
    Jack Britton 5'8"/70"
    Mike Glover 5'9"/?
    Matt Wells 5'4"/?

    Middleweight Measurements
    Sergio Martinez 5'10"/73"

    Nino Benvenuti 5'11"/75"
    Emile Griffith 5'7.5"/72"
    Dick Tiger 5'8"/71"
    Joey Giardello 5'10"
    Dick Tiger 5'8"/71"
    Paul Pender 5'10"/72"
    Terry Downes 5'9"/69"
    Paul Pender 5'10"/72"
    Ray Robinson 5'11"/72"
    Carmen Basilio 5'6.5"
    Ray Robinson 5'11"/72"
    Gene Fullmer 5'8"/69"
    Ray Robinson 5'11"/72"
    Bobo Olson 5'10.5"/70"
    Ray Robinson 5'11"/72"
    Randy Turpin 5'9.5"/74.5"
    Ray Robinson 5'11"/72"
    Jake Lamotta 5'8"/67"
    Marcel Cerdan 5'8"
    Tony Zale 5'7.5"/69"
    Rocky Graziano 5'7"/68.5"
    Tony Zale 5'7.5"/69"
    Billy Soose 6'.5"/73"
    Ken Overlin 5'9"/70"
    Ceferino Garcia 5'6"/70"
    Al Hostak 6'
    Solly Krieger 5'8"/68"
    Fred Apostoli 5'9.5"/70"
    Freddie Steele 5'10"/72"
    Eddie Babe Risko 5'10"/72.5"
    Teddy Yarosz 5'10"/72.5"
    Vince Dundee 5'8"/71"
    Lou Brouillard 5'7"/72"
    Marcel Thil 5'8"/68.5"
    Gorilla Jones 5'9"/75"
    Mickey Walker 5'7"/67"
    Tiger Flowers 5'10"/76"
    Harry Greb 5'8"/71"
    Johnny Wilson 5'9"/72"
    Mike O'Dowd 5'8"/70"
    Al McCoy 5'8"
    George Chip 5'8"
    Frank Klaus 5'7.5"
    Stanley Ketchel 5'9"
     
  14. robert80

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    Stupid thread, floyd will not listen too keyboard cowards, who have never boxed in there lives right!!
     
  15. Stylez G.

    Stylez G. Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That's not true. He weighed in on fight night against Alvarez and he was 150 lbs. The man is not a MW. Cotto is a heavier fighter than Mayweather. Remember, Cotto started out at 140 while Mayweather started out at 130. Cotto will still cut weight for a MW fight. Mayweather comes in to camp basically on weight for WW fights. Again, why would anyone who can make WW with no problem, and who makes 10's of millions per fight, fight at MW?