Who did you perceive as being at a greater disadvantage for Hagler vs Leonard?

I never argued otherwise, you dribbling spastic. Try and read what you're responding to in future. atsch

So Mah'vis not only couldn't cope with a shot, inactive, bum-eyed welterweight (a week removed from being clobbered by Quincy Taylor), but also a limited one to boot?



Yet another blow to the feeble legacy of the great baldy, boorish *******. :-(

Whoop-dee-diddly-f*cking-doo.


Your arguing point goes beyond the question the thread starter is asking, Surf-Twat.

 

Elton is a diehard Hagler nut - that's apparent for anyone to see. He tries his absolute best to mask his undying love for Marvis, but does a pretty poor job in disguising it overall. His only interest regarding the likes of Hector Camacho and Terry Norris is that they did the job his man was incapable of doing. Classic case of an inept little tosser living vicariously through the victories of other grown men. :sad2

 

Duran with srl 12 round deal beats a prime Hagler

That's all that matters, Marvin was an overrated but still decent middleweight with a great chin

Marvin looked like **** against srl and lost easily

 

Ray Leonard is about as "humble" as Chad Ochocinco or Terrell Owens. Let's not mistake a sober assessment of a situation for humility. Leonard possessed none of that virtue.

SRL had more rust, but Hagler was shopworn AND rusty (out of the ring for over a year). Rust can be worked through. Ring wear? Not so much. Not at all, in fact. Yes, those are the facts ON PAPER. But the facts ON FILM show that Hagler had clearly lost more than Leonard.

 

"Surf-Twat" "******" "Whoop-dee-diddly-f*cking-doo"....., clever boy. You debate like a five year old. You might want to consider the general forum. There's plenty of your kind over there. You know, young trash-talkers who overcompensate for the huge gaps in their knowledge with this kind of prepubescent prattle. You've posted here long enough to where anyone who has watched you knows that as soon as your argument loses steam or someone makes a point that casts doubt on your argument is when the "******", "tosser" and "twat" comments begin. You aren't the first poster to employ that tactic and you won't be the last.

Predictable as the tides. Enjoy your little dance. I'm sure you're fooling someone somewhere.

Good luck.

 

First time hearing about this

 

no, but to have Mike trainer do everything in his power to put roadblocks between his fighter and Hagler does

and that was without ever mentioning his eye

 

so what? you're a die hard Leonard nut. u come up with all kinds of fabrications and myths, then promote them "leonard was a one eyed coke addict"

then, when your boy is soundly whipped in a fight, a fight in which he was the solid favorite, u quickly try to change the subject

Why?

cuz it shows your boy was overrated, had to handpick all his fights or else have angelo do it for him. and once Angelo left, and couldnt protect him anymore, first thing that happened was he got destroyed by the first two fighters shwoing any kind of speed

the speed which Ray Leonard says hagler was missing then came out running to beg for a fight, the little coward

the only one here with an agenda is u cuz we all know how much effeminates like u (leonard fans &his press) really hate Hagler, wishing your man had anywhere near his talent, his achievements, his chin. leonard fans have always resented Hagler, that is why they try so hard to blow everything out of proportion, but when cornered with tough questions regarding their man, u & magoo clam up or play dumb

that eans you're disingenuous and just playing the part but fooling no one

your man was destroyed twice in fights, we all saw it so there's no use saying he couldnt be beat OR knocked down. he was floored many times for someone with just 30 + fights, and two of them by much smaller men - Camacho & Howard. to be honest with you, Sugar didnt really have much going for him. he was a good fighter, but a lucky one

 

Leonard looked worse vs Camacho (a much smaller man) and reeked of **** while losing. not to mention, he was knocked out. I know goyourownway cant handle that fact, the fact that Ray couldnt deal with anyone but one dimensional plodders Lalonde, Dave Green, Kalule and that way overrated Benitez, a fighter with no heart. people just make a big deal about him becuz there's really nobody else on Ray' resume

and 6 before that, Ray, a huge favorite, was blown out of the water by the first fighter he encountered with speed. IT WAS NO CONTEST!

so we're right in saying Ray ducked Hagler. He ducked Pryor too. and Nunn

that much we know for usre

and his eye had nothing to do with it

the real reason is he didnt belong in the ring with any of them and wouldve been outclassed N embarassed and PROBALY knocked out in two of them

 

define the word "immediately". wasnt he cleared to take the figh by his Doctor? the truth is, his atty had been placing conditions in a cant win move for Hagler, using WEIGHT as his card, playing games in typical Leonard fashion

that spells DUCKING

"rather than risk blindness". what a laugh. al youre doing is making excuses for him

Did he not risk blindness when he fought Howard, Hagler after that? Lalonde months after. his rematches with Duran N Hearns? Terry Norris? Camacho at age 40?

if he was cleared to fight in 82, why not fight in 82?

see? just like I said,, EXCUSES

and if you cant even name Leonard's opponent correctly (Kevin Howard, not Howard Davis),, how can assess Kevin as a gatekeeper?

the truth is u fabricated his reputation just as all Leonard fans fabricate about his opposition, and Ray's own abilities, so its no surprise you wont hesitate to defend any decisions he made

he truth is Kevin Howard had four losses, three of them recently before meeting Leonard, against just 20 wins. that dont sound like no gatekeeper to me

and was dwarfed by Leonard especially in the upper body - handpicked especially for him, likeLalonde and Hagler in 87.

I truly believe that had Kevin was leonard's size and anywhere near the talent of Norris, he wouldve soundly whipped Ray because he had more heart, while Ray predictably chickened out just the way he chickened out of a fight with Hagler at Baltimore

the man just didnt have it

****king "career ending injury" my ass. magoo, u can keep repeating that garbage all u want. "career ending" dont mean fighting all the way to age 40. maybe u ought to look up the meaning of career ending cuz u sure as hell DONT KNOW WHAT YOURE TALKING ABOUT

 

and what the hell u talking about me using multiple names in your poll. the reason your man doing so poorly in plls is cuz everyone thinks he sucks!

thats why he bombed in the RIng magazine fan poll - 1999

 

Leonard was at the bigger disadvantage. He hadnt fought in 3 years and all his previous fights were at welterweight and 1 at jr middleweight. And he was moving up to middleweight to fight one of its best champions of all time in Hagler.