The "All Things Mayweather/Pacquiao" Express!!!!!!

what has floyd done to be considered great?

45-0 w/26kos? that's been done several times.

his opposition? who on his list of opponents is an atg?

when has he defied the odds?

i'll say this...i am a floyd fan. in '98 i was convinced he was headed for atg status. unfortunately, along the way...there were fights that could and should have happened that would have defined his greatness. he chose to retire instead. what he's doing at this point is picking and choosing his opposition. don't get me wrong...he's earned the right to do that...but i don't expect him to pick a truly challenging opponent. he himself has said it...he's robbing the bank. translation: it's easy money. i'd like to see him separate himself from the pack and accomplish the impossible. beating someone at 160 would do that. the pac fight will be too easy and that window of opportunity has passed. i'm not interested in seeing pac get dominated.

 

i think its safe to say floyd does not go undefeated through Durans resume. Floyds ends up looking like a really good fighter because he is but he does not dominate that era like hes done today by avoiding major challenges. Did floyd fight the biggest threats in his era at or near their primes? no. he never fought margarito,tsyzu,williams,prime cotto and manny. this is why the only way i think he can redeem himself and legitimize his claim as an top 5 all time great is to beat manny,lara and thurman in dominating fashion and leave no doubt that he belongs on the mt. rushmore of boxing. i dont see it happening. btw anyone else get the feeling floyd doesnt retire after his last four fights?

 

In a fantasy land, maybe "winner take all fights happen.
How about this--winner takes 70% Or whatever % you want to add in there.
It's still never going to happen but I think it's more attractive and doable

 

The replies in this thread is exactly why I support him so much. I love being in the minority. It's so easy to hate, and pick out reasons why you don't support someone. It's harder to go against the grain, and look for reasons to love. You people see his name and get rabid. It's beautiful to see the control he has over you people. He's great, simple as that.

 

Marquez is an ATG.

 

Hahahaha!!! Don't worry kid there's some truth to what both of you are saying. Duran was great in a way that we will probably never see again cuz the era of the 15 rounds and one fight after another same day weigh ins fighting until you're ancient is gone. But now we get fighters who are able to dedicate themselves to one opponent and give a more complete effort for a compact 12 rounds. Pros and cons for both, and I suspect that the way old timers talk of Willie Pep, you'll (and those of us that are still alive with you) talk of Mayweather. It's only natural. We are biologically programmed to idealize the past.

 

Would never happen, other than one fighter stopping the other, a decision victory would be to easy to influence the outcome. Judges and referees are already a huge part of the outcomes of fights, could you imagine a winner takes all fight?

 

I have a solution. At the end of the year Manny doesnt sign with Arum and gives floyd a chance to make the fight for may `15. 65/35 split on all revenue for floyd at 147lbs 10oz gloves 20 sq ft ring. This is absolutely more than fair for floyd. if he wants more than this then manny should walk. And floyd can go on with his life and thats the end of it. Floyd will have proven he is not interested in the fight. you either fight manny in may or you dont. no bs about fighting him in sept. in his last fight.

 

Will stop stop citing Skip Bayless's damn opinion?

 

I don't want to say your wrong, but the best way to determine how good Duran is verses Mayweather (or in this case his comp) is to watch their fights. (Hell most of them are on youtube).

I'm not basing my opinion on era's, if I did, I wouldn't think so highly of Lewis, rather I'm basing my opinion on what I saw, and rather then spew rhetoric about old timers having red colored glasses on, just watch the fights, then at least you can defend your position with some credibility.

And based on what I saw, I can't really see any of Mayweather's opponents giving Duran much trouble. And most of the 80% who agree with my opinion are much closer to your age than mine, of that I'm sure.

 

Im not bashing Duran. I personally think he's higher ATG than Floyd, as does everyone else. I don't think he's a better fighter though. ATG rankings have to do more with accomplishments then they do skill. Im simply saying that styles make fights. I can see Duran losing to a couple of people on FMJ's resume. My only point is that people overhype past greats so much it's distasteful. I get tired of debating eras because of it.

 

Fair enough, so who do you think he would he lose to?


And I personally think Duran's a much better fighter (mostly because he actually will fight), but I do understand that's debatable, it probably boils down to style preference as much as anything.

 

I don't think the OP is being objective and says the same things the nut huggers say. I think he would be the favorite against anyone of his generation, but there are matchups he would lose or at least look average in. The blind nut huggers are the worst. They act like no one could even compete with him. Look at the first 6 rounds of the Hatton fight... even with limited skills Hatton made Floyd uncomfortable. It's mostly Floyds dumb a$$ fans who are just as bad as the *******s at their peak that I can't stand.

His fans make excuses too. Floyd carried Delahoya, or Cotto only looked good because Floyd let him.... yeah because Floyd is like that, right?

 

I don't think anyone denies his greatness. They are just extra hard on him because he's an elite level prize fighter who is also at the top of the food chain. He has different expectations and different standards than most. Only the very top level guys are held under the electron microscope like Floyd so he's not alone.

 

I say Corrales, Cotto at 154. and Oscar at 154. I dont think any of these fights are better than him, I just think Stylistically and with the weights (154) I can see them doing well against him.

He lost to Robbie Sims and Kirkland Laing, lesser fighters than all 3 of those on that list above.

He wasnt invincible, and was beatable with the right plan.