Opposition Analysis of the 22-0-0 Welters Leonard, Trinidad, Thurman, Maidana etc.

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  1. eltirado

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    Quartey 168-69 :bbb
     
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    22-0-0 vs 319-174 competition 1.8-1 ratio, Thurman
    22-0-0 vs 370-206 competition 1.8-1 ratio, Hearns
    22-0-0 vs 270-148 competition 1.8-1 ratio, Kyvelos
    22-0-0 vs 290-174 competition 1.7-1 ratio, Maidana
    22-0-0 vs 163-098 competition 1.6-1 ratio, Starling
    22-0-0 vs 247-152 competition 1.6-1 ratio, Carr
    22-0-0 vs 359-226 competition 1.6-1 ratio, Porter
    22-0-0 vs 234-149 competition 1.6-1 ratio, Honeyghan
    22-0-0 vs 224-148 competition 1.5-1 ratio, Benitez
    22-0-0 vs 237-186 competition 1.3-1 ratio, Purreta
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  3. stevexx28

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    Oscar De La Hoya. At 22-0 his oppositions record was 604-77, if i added it right. Goddamn.
     
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  4. VBOX

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    To me these stats only mean something if the opponents record is awful, but the other way around doesn't necessarily mean anything. The opponents with good records could possibly be awful, beating up on guys on 10 fight losing streak. So unless we calculate the opponents of the opponents of the opponents..... You can't tell how good someone is by spreadsheets.
     
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  5. eltirado

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    I didn't add DLH or SRL because they didn't fight at Welter (over 140) in their first 22 fights
     
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  6. eltirado

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    I do that, but only in close records (Wlad 2.0-1 & Wilder 2.2-1), the more you dig you find Wilder victims faced slightly better records than Wlads victims, but this is a secondary factor

    If the fella is feasting on raw chronic losing records ala KELL Da Crook Brook, then he faced the worse competition...why did he goout of his way to face guys who are proven losers, instead of just debut or sub zero records, only proves he wanted that...as chronic losers are hard to come by and ask for more $ :deal
     
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  8. jas

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    When you do ali raymi's division...
     
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  9. eltirado

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    I am going by historic divisions, 105, 108, 168 & 200 need to wait in line...behind the historic divisions :boxer
     
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  10. jas

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    Ali raymi has GOAT opposition when you do p4p opposition rankings
     
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  11. eltirado

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    Not really, lots of prospects who look good early against greens eventually get schooled when facing Omar Weiss, remember Camacho jr & Bojado

    Thats why the numbers have to be based on a top prospect in a deep division, with long history

    If Raymi beats Champions or former champions I will take him into consideration as the model of 105 till we get there, Welter needs to be finished then 135 then 126
     
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  12. VBOX

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    Oh ok :good

    Yeah the numbers for Brook are too bad to misinterpret, at that point I think it does tell the story.
     
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  13. Super Hans

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    These stats just show that The Special One is one of the most avoided fighters in history and only guys who really need a payday will step up.

    :deal
     
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  14. jas

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    so why was brook included, and everyone champion is ducking raymi
     
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  15. eltirado

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    Brook is 22-0-0 thats why he is the list, opposition quality allows to assess the diff between Kell Da Crook Brook 22-0-0 & SRL 22-0-0 :yep

    Raymi is not a welter nor 22-0-0, Roman Gonzalez is the Lion in the sub-flyweight divisions, the rest are mentioned after Roman Gonzalez :deal
     
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