Tale of the tape. What measurement or numbers are most relevant?

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  1. OvidsExile

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    Lightweight Champions Measurements

    Name height/reach
    Juan Manuel Marquez 5'7"/67"
    Manny Pacquiao 5'6.5"/67"
    Floyd Mayweather Jr. 5'8"/72"
    Pernell Whitaker 5'6"/69"
    Julio Cesar Chavez 5'7.5"/66.5"
    Hector Camacho 5'6.5"/69"
    Alexis Arguello 5'10"/72"
    Roberto Duran 5'7"/66"
    Ken Buchanan 5'7.5"/70"
    Ismael Laguna 5'9"/68"
    Mando Ramos 5'9"/71.5"
    Carlos Teo Cruz 5'6.5"/68"
    Carlos Ortiz 5'7"/70"
    Ismael Laguna 5'9"/68"
    Carlos Ortiz 5'7"/70"
    Joe Brown 5'7.5"/68"
    Wallace Bud Smith 5'6.5"/68"
    Jimmy Carter 5'6"/68"
    Paddy Demarco 5'6"/70"
    Jimmy Carter 5'6"/68"
    Lauro Salas 5′ 6″/67.5"
    Jimmy Carter 5'6"/68"
    Ike Williams 5'9"/68"
    Juan Zurita 5'5"/66"
    Beau Jack 5'6"/68.5"
    Bob Montgomery 5'7.5"/71"
    Beau Jack 5'6"/68.5"
    Sammy Angott 5'7.5"/70"
    Lew Jenkins 5'8"/68"
    Lou Ambers 5'4.5"/70"
    Henry Armstrong 5'5.5"/67"
    Lou Ambers 5'4.5"/70"
    Tony Canzoneri 5'4"/65"
    Barney Ross 5'7"/67"
    Tony Canzoneri 5'4"/65"
    Al Singer 5'4.5"/?
    Sammy Mandell 5'7"/67"
    Rocky Kansas 5'2"/63"
    Jimmy Goodrich 5'4"/65.5"
    Benny Leonard 5'5"/69"
    Freddie Welsh 5'7"/68.5"
    Willie Ritchie 5'7.5"/67"
    Ad Wolgast 5'4.5"/65.5"
    Battling Nelson 5'7.5"/67.5"
    Joe Gans 5'6.5"/71"

    Welterweight Champions Measurements

    Floyd Mayweather Jr. 5'8"/72"
    Oscar De La Hoya 5'10.5"/73
    Pernell Whitaker 5'6"/69"
    Marlon Starling 5'8"/73"
    Lloyd Honeyghan 5'8"/69"
    Donald Curry 5'9.5"/72"
    Ray Leonard 5'10"/74"
    Jose Napoles 5'7.5"/72"
    Billy Backus 5'7"/69"
    Jose Napoles 5'7.5"/72"
    Curtis Cokes 5'8"/73"
    Emile Griffith 5'7.5"/72"
    Luis Manuel Rodriguez 5′ 8″/74"
    Emile Griffith 5'7.5"/72"
    Benny Paret 5'7.5"/?
    Emile Griffith 5'7.5"/72"
    Benny Paret 5'7"/?
    Don Jordan 5'9"/70"
    Virgil Akins 5'9"/73"
    Carmen Basilio 5'6.5"/?
    Johnny Saxton 5'8"/?
    Carmen Basilio 5'6.5"/?
    Tony Demarco 5'5"/?
    Johnny Saxton 5'8"/?
    Kid Gavilan 5'10.5"/71"
    Johnny Bratton 5'10"/?
    Ray Robinson 5'11"/72.5"
    Marty Servo 5'7"/?
    Freddie Cochrane 5'7.5"/?
    Fritzie Zivic 5'10"/71"
    Henry Armstrong 5'5.5"/67"
    Barney Ross 5'7"/67"
    Jimmy McLarnin 5'6"/67"
    Barney Ross 5'7"/67"
    Jimmy McLarnin 5'6"/67"
    Young Corbett III 5'7.5"/?
    Jackie Fields 5'7.5"/69"
    Joe Dundee 5'7"/?
    Pete Latzo 5'7.5"/68"
    Mickey Walker 5'7"/67"
    Jack Britton 5'8"/70"
    Ted Lewis 5'7.5"/69"
    Jack Britton 5'8"/70"
    Ted Lewis 5'7.5"/69"
    Jack Britton 5'8"/70"
    Mike Glover 5'9"/?
    Matt Wells 5'4"/?

    Middleweight Measurements
    Sergio Martinez 5'10"/73"
    Bernard Hopkins 6'1"/75"
    Marvin Hagler 5'9.5"/75"
    Nino Benvenuti 5'11"/75"
    Emile Griffith 5'7.5"/72"
    Dick Tiger 5'8"/71"
    Joey Giardello 5'10"
    Dick Tiger 5'8"/71"
    Paul Pender 5'10"/72"
    Terry Downes 5'9"/69"
    Paul Pender 5'10"/72"
    Ray Robinson 5'11"/72"
    Carmen Basilio 5'6.5"
    Ray Robinson 5'11"/72"
    Gene Fullmer 5'8"/69"
    Ray Robinson 5'11"/72"
    Bobo Olson 5'10.5"/70"
    Ray Robinson 5'11"/72"
    Randy Turpin 5'9.5"/74.5"
    Ray Robinson 5'11"/72"
    Jake Lamotta 5'8"/67"
    Marcel Cerdan 5'8"
    Tony Zale 5'7.5"/69"
    Rocky Graziano 5'7"/68.5"
    Tony Zale 5'7.5"/69"
    Billy Soose 6'.5"/73"
    Ken Overlin 5'9"/70"
    Ceferino Garcia 5'6"/70"
    Al Hostak 6'
    Solly Krieger 5'8"/68"
    Fred Apostoli 5'9.5"/70"
    Freddie Steele 5'10"/72"
    Eddie Babe Risko 5'10"/72.5"
    Teddy Yarosz 5'10"/72.5"
    Vince Dundee 5'8"/71"
    Lou Brouillard 5'7"/72"
    Marcel Thil 5'8"/68.5"
    Gorilla Jones 5'9"/75"
    Mickey Walker 5'7"/67"
    Tiger Flowers 5'10"/76"
    Harry Greb 5'8"/71"
    Johnny Wilson 5'9"/72"
    Mike O'Dowd 5'8"/70"
    Al McCoy 5'8"
    George Chip 5'8"
    Frank Klaus 5'7.5"
    Stanley Ketchel 5'9"

    Light Heavyweight
    Adonis Stevenson 5'11"/72"
    Chad Dawson 6'1"/76.5"
    Bernard Hopkins 6'1"/75"
    Jean Pascal 5'10.5"/72"
    Adrian Diaconu 5'9"/72"
    Chad Dawson 6'1"/76.5"
    Tomasz Adamek 6'1.5"/75"
    Antonio Tarver 6'2"/75"
    Roy Jones Jr. 5'11"/74"
    Antonio Tarver 6'2"/75"
    Graciano Rocchigiani 6'1"/74.5"
    Roy Jones Jr. 5'11"/74"
    Fabrice Tiozzo 6'1"/72"
    Mike McCallum 5'11.5"/ 74.5"
    Jeff Harding 5'11.5"/73"
    Dennis Andries 5'10.5"/72.5"
    Jeff Harding 5'11.5"/73"
    Dennis Andries 5'10.5"/72.5"
    Ray Robinson 5'10"/74"
    Donny Lalonde 6'2"
    Thomas Hearns 6'1"/78"
    Dennis Andries 5'10.5"/72.5"
    JB Williamson ?
    Michael Spinks 6'2.5"/76"
    Dwight Qawi 5'5.5"/71"
    Matthew Saad Muhammad 5'11"/75"
    Marvin Johnson 5'10.5"/72.5"
    Mate Parlov 6'2"
    Miguel Angel Cuello 5'9"
    John Conteh 6'/76"
    Bob Foster 6'3"/79"
    Dick Tiger 5'8"/71"
    Joes Torres 5'10"/74"
    Willie Pastrano 5'10"/72"
    Harold Johnson 5'10"/74"
    Archie Moore 5'11"/75"
    Joey Maxim 6'1"/71.5"
    Freddie Mills 5'10.5"/72"
    Gus Lesnevich 5'9"
    Anton Christoforidis 5'8"/72"
    Billy Conn 6'1.5"/72.5"
    Len Harvey 6'0"/73.5"
    Melio Bettina 5'9"/70"
    Tiger Jack Fox 5'11.5"/75"
    John Henry Lewis 5'11"/75.5"
    Bob Olin 5'10"/72"
    Maxie Rosenbloom 5'10.5"/71.5"
    Bob Godwin 5'11.5"
    Joe Knight 5'11.5"
    George Nichols 5'10.5"
    Maxie Rosenbloom 5'10.5"/71.5"
    Jimmy Slattery 5'11.5"/74"
    Tommy Loughran 5'11.5"/73"
    Jack Delaney 5'11.5"
    Paul Berlenbach 5'10"/72"
    Mike McTigue 5'9"/72"
    Battling Siki 5'10.5"/75"
    Georges Carpentier 5'11.5"
    Battling Levinsky 5'11"/70"
    Jack Dillon 5'7.5"/72"
    Bob Moha 5'5"
    Philadelphia Jack O'Brien 5'10.5"
    Bob Fitzsimmons 5'11.5"/71.5"
    George Gardiner 5'11.5"
    Jack Root 5'10"/73"

    Heavyweight

    Wladimir Klitschko 6'6"/81"
    Vitali Klitschko 6'7"/79"
    Lennox Lewis 6'5"/84"
    Riddick Bowe 6'5"/81"
    Evander Holyfield 6'2.5"/78"
    James Douglas 6'3.5"/83"
    Mike Tyson 5'10"/71"
    Michael Spinks 6'2.5"/76"
    Larry Holmes 6'3"/81"
    Ken Norton 6'3"/80"
    Leon Spinks 6'1"/76"
    Muhammad Ali 6'3"/78"
    George Foreman 6'3.5"/82"
    Joe Frazier 5'11.5"/73"
    Muhammad Ali 6'3"/78"
    Sonny Liston 6'.5"/84"
    Floyd Patterson 6'/71"
    Ingemar Johansson 6'.5"/72"
    Rocky Marciano 5'11/67"
    Jersey Joe Walcott 6'/74"
    Ezzard Charles 6'/73"
    Lee Savold 6'1"
    Joe Louis 6'2"/76"
    James J. Braddock 6'2.5"/75"
    Max Baer 6'2.5"/81"
    Primo Carnera 6'5.5"/85"
    Jack Sharkey 6'/72"
    Max Schmeling 6'1"/76"
    Gene Tunney 6'/76"
    Jack Dempsey 6'1"/77"
    Jess Willard 6'6.5"/83"
    Jack Johnson 6'.5"/74"
    Tommy Burns 5'7"/74"
    Marvin Hart 5'11.5"/74"
    James J. Jeffries 6'/76.5"
    Bob Fitzsimmons 5'11.5"/71.5"
    James J. Corbett 6'1"/73"
    John L. Sullivan 5'10.5"/74"
     
  2. LittleRed

    LittleRed Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Was that directed at me?
     
  3. RockyJim

    RockyJim Boxing Addict Full Member

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  4. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Size of the ***** doesnt matter, it's the size of the balls hanging below it that count.
     
  5. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven VIP Member banned Full Member

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    Anal cavity volume.

    A champion needs to be able to take it as well as dish it out.
     
  6. LittleRed

    LittleRed Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That's covered in scrotal volume.
    I completely agree.
     
  7. richdanahuff

    richdanahuff Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yeah I can't believe people by this typo as true or accurate Tarver was never a muscular thick looking fighter he was always a trim panther built type.
     
  8. The Mongoose

    The Mongoose I honor my bets banned

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    Either multiple tale of the tape listings are wrong, performed incorrectly, intentionally exaggerated, or simply don't measure size the way we expect it to. Regardless, you have to conclude they are not trusthworthy guides for gauging a figther's true size. There are plenty of more examples, this one is just one of the more jarring.
     
  9. richdanahuff

    richdanahuff Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Absolutely, when this particular one came out I was suprised more people didn't question it.
     
  10. BUDW

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  11. brb

    brb Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This is where I believe boxing has failed.

    If there were more statistics that were relevant to the public it would help in attendance/viewership of the sport.

    I personally would like to see better fight/career stats shown during telecasts.

    Things like:

    # of punches career thrown landed throughout their career (with the breakdown of jabs, hooks, straight left/right, uppercuts, etc).

    # of punches taken.

    breakdown of best/worst rounds (statistically).

    Winning percentage against orthodox/southpaws as well as statistics for each.

    Amateur Background data.

    Plenty more.
     
  12. thistle1

    thistle1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Height & Reach, only then making big weight discrepancies worse thereafter.
     
  13. turpinr

    turpinr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'd take the height measurements with a pinch of salt knowing full well that 5ft-7ins ken buchanan is the same height as 5ft-10 amir khan.
    during alan minter's boxing career his height varied between 5ft-9ins and 6ft ?????
    Tyson fury seems to grow an inch every time I read anything about him, by xmas he could be 7ft-7ins tall........but still flabby
     
  14. thistle1

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    the question isn't accounting for, nor asking about _ullshite journalism or hype, or inaccurate stats.

    the question is what Tale of the Tape factors are the most relevant with respect to one fighters advantage and the other fighters legitimate obstacles!

    again Height & Reach are always the hardest to overcome at TOP level!
     
  15. SmackDaBum

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    Ali: 6''2.5' and 79''

    Foreman: 6''3 and 78.5''

    Tyson: 5''10.5' and 70.5''

    Lewis: 6''4.75' and 82''