This man defeats Mayweather at every weight category from 135-154!

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  1. JASPER

    JASPER Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    OMG, you definitely don't know everything, if you do it's not about boxing!
     
  2. rossco666

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    Dont speak of Duran like he was some one dimentional brawler. This post smacks of someone who doesn't know what the **** they are talking about. Duran is one of the most craftiest fighters in boxing history. A highly intelligent pressure fighter with a great defence and lots of skill and tricks. Duran ticks more boxes than Floyd that's for sure. You think Duran doesn't come to the table with anything that Floyd has not seen before!?! :patsch Are you serious? Floyd has never seen anything remotely like Duran so your talking complete and utter ****. Duran is one of the most dynamic fighters in boxing history. He's considered by many to be the most complete fighter we have extensive footage of. All the greats (bar Hearns) that stepped in the ring with Duran dont just talk of his hands of stone or his aggression, they talk of how skilled he was, how clever he was and how hard he was to hit :deal
    I think you should actually watch Duran fight stupid ***** :-(


    How would the great Roberto Duran fare against the skillful wizardry of Floyd Mayweather at 135 pounds? We posed this fantasy match to eight qualified insiders:
    Jose Torres (Recently deceased Hall of Fame Light Heavyweight champ): “It’s very hard to make a comparison because I thought that Duran was the best fighter of his time. But I think Mayweather is a helluva fighter. He’s as good as the best of Duran in Duran’s time. So it’s very hard to choose. I would have to study the styles in order for me to have an accurate opinion on who would beat whom. It’s impossible now to imagine a winner. I would have to check like five or six fights from each and the styles. You see? Because they have different styles. But Duran was a very, very smart fighter. And that’s what I like for him.”
    Iran Barkley (Former Middleweight, Super Middleweight and Light Heavyweight champ): “Duran would have got to Mayweather. Because Duran is crafty. He knew how to get to lightweight guys. Not to take anything away from Floyd Mayweather, he’s a phenomenal fighter. But at that caliber of time Duran had speed and power. Floyd got the speed and some power but not as much power as Duran. (How was Duran’s power at 168?) Duran didn’t have power at 168 like he had at lightweight. He had power that I felt. I felt the hits. But they weren’t real *******s. You know what I’m sayin’? At lightweight he was unbelievable the power that he had. He was faster and speedier. He had power and speed. And he would’ve gave Mayweather a tough fight. (Beat Floyd?) I think Duran would…I know Duran would have won the fight. I know that. Mayweather – not to take anything away from him but Duran would have won.”
    Don Elbaum (Veteran promoter): “I think Duran is one of the one, two, three greatest lightweights of all time. And Mayweather’s close. But Duran could do whatever – he’d break you in half, he was vicious, he was a killer, could box, could knock you dead. I mean, he could do everything. Duran – up to this point – is a bit better than Mayweather.”
    Teddy Atlas (Trainer, author, TV commentator): “It’d be a heckuva fight. I think…Duran. Duran had close to 100 fights. Right now, because of what Duran accomplished – the largeness of that kind of body of work – I’ll go with Duran. If Mayweather decides to fight again, there’s still more we’re gonna find out about Mayweather. He’s terrific and there’s still some more things we may find out. But I know more right now in my life about Duran. And with that kind of knowledge, I’ll take Duran.”
    Eddie Mustafa Muhammad (Former Light Heavyweight champ and world class trainer): “I would think that would be a helluva fight. You’ve got to realize that Duran was also a great boxer at lightweight. That one I couldn’t call. It’s just too hard. That would be the hardest fight for me to call. To me, Mayweather is the greatest boxer Duran would’ve ever fought, aside from maybe Sugar Ray Leonard. Duran would try to maul him inside to the body. Duran was also a great boxer too. That fight would be a little too hard to call.”
    Angelo Dundee (Hall of Fame trainer of Muhammad Ali and Sugar Ray Leonard, among many others): “Oh gosh, Duran’s a living legend. And one of the best fighters today is Floyd Mayweather. That would be some fight. I tell you – it would be Floyd Mayweather’s toughest encounter. Duran against a guy with quick hands like Mayweather – he could nullify that. Duran offset quick hands through feints, head feints, foot feints and foot movements. He was a complete fighter. He had all that stuff going for him. Then he nails you. Then he bulls you too. Mayweather would be facing something he never faced before. You’re saying the fight would be at lightweight? I like Duran. Duran was slick, smart, body puncher, made you fall short with punches. At lightweight I would like Duran. He could get under your skin too. He could con you. He had ways to bother you. He was like Muhammad Ali in that way, but he couldn’t speak English. Duran was a real psyche artist.
    “It’s tough. Mayweather always rises to the occasion. He impresses the hell out of me. I knew Duran from the inception – he trained at the Fifth Street Gym (Miami). I watched him all the time. A guy I trained, Duran was working with him – Vinnie Curto. A lightweight hurting a middleweight. There was no smarter, cuter fighter than Vinnie Curto. The only thing that bothered Duran was a long, left jab. And Mayweather doesn’t have that. Certain guys give certain guys problems. We haven’t seen what gives Mayweather problems. Are we talking 15 rounds? I like Duran. I like Duran. You’re talking about Mayweather going 15 rounds. Duran was pressure, pressure. He was strong. He could punch. God, he was a great lightweight. He takes advantage of every little thing. And he did it smooth, with grace. Everything was slick and smart. I like Duran.”
    Harold Lederman (World-renowned boxing judge): “Duran in his prime vs. Mayweather in his prime…without question, I think it would be no contest. I did see Roberto Duran in his prime. I was in Madison Square Garden the first time he came in he fought Benny Huertas in that incredible one round fight. When he knocked out Benny Huertas. But they went toe-to-toe for the better part of one round. And at the that time Duran made such a big hit that they brought him back after. And I was the judge in that first fight that Roberto Duran ever lost to Esteban DeJesus in Madison Square Garden, where Duran walked into a left hook in the second round and he was sitting on the canvas looking up at DeJesus. And DeJesus just cruised to a ten-round decision. They fought two times after that for the Lightweight championship and Duran won both of them.
    “But interestingly enough, Roberto Duran was an aggressive, very, very quick, very, very well trained, very well conditioned fighter. And when you look at Floyd Mayweather’s career, he did have trouble with a big Jose Luis Castillo at lightweight. And I think that, without question, I just don’t think that Mayweather, as good as he is, and he’s a very, very talented fighter, can hold off Duran. I mean, Duran was extremely aggressive. Hit very, very hard. Just an awful guy to beat. I mean, you had to be very, very strong and have a heckuva punch to hold him off. And Mayweather, although he has a good jab, has hand problems. I don’t think he can hit Duran hard enough, jab him hard enough without breaking his hands. And boy, when Mayweather hurts his hands you just know it. Because he starts going straight backwards, like he did with Famoso Hernandez and Victoriano Sosa.
    “But with Duran, you had to have a heckuva punch or a heckuva great left jab to keep him off of you. Duran would have hammered him to the body. Eventually probably stopped him in eight or nine rounds.”
     
  3. Vinegar Hill

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    I love Floyd but I think even for him this fight would be too much. Despite his great defence he would find himself having to fight every second of every round, he wouldn't have faced the intensity AND ring smarts that Duran would bring.
    Offensively there's nothing in his locker to really hurt Duran who despite his aggressive and intense attack had a very good defense.
    I'm inclined to say Floyd might win at 154 but there again a well prepared Duran ran Hagler close over 15 rounds at 160.
     
  4. GuestAppearance

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    I've never seen Mayweather win any fantasy fight on here. BF24 is kind of like highschool nowadays, it used to be a solid boxing site when I first joined now its a popularity site just like ***********. I remember a thread last year where posters were comparing Floyd to ATGs that could beat Floyd, and most of the posters had Floyd losing to damn near every ATG imaginable. He may have lost to some ATG's, but to have him losing to ALL OF THEM is unrealistic. No matter how much you hate him, you cant have him losing to all of these guys and not being able to beat one ATG. If Mayweather were a nicer guy, he'd win more polls. And even if you believe Mayweather lost to Castillo, I think it's hypocritical that most of the posters who bring up Floyd losing to JLC, are fans of fighters who have WORST losses on their resume. Not talking specifically about Duran, but I've seen posters discredit Mayweather for losing to Castillo, then I've see the same posters in other threads lobbying for other fighters who have lost to bums who were not as good or seasoned as Castillo.
     
  5. Vanboxingfan

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    This! :good
     
  6. HolyCityBully

    HolyCityBully Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I respect the fab four as much as anyone, but they always win just about every fantasy matchup on message boards.

    Its completely silly.

    Benitez and Kirkland both outboxed Duran in their own way.

    Floyd is faster, smarter, technically better, defensively way better, more versatile, better at dictating the pace, better counter puncher... Look Floyd is is just flat out superior to these guys period.

    Other then the Hearns and Hagler losses, what you can take away from Duran's losses is that if you dont let him get in a rhythm, if you dont let fight at his pace and make him pause and think, he is there to be had.

    And yes I think Floyd could do it.
     
  7. Vanboxingfan

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    rossco666, one of the things I really enjoy about this post is all the guys who answered the question gave huge respect to BOTH fighters, regardless of who they thought would win a mythic head to head match up.
     
  8. Vanboxingfan

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    You're (a) cherry picking and (b) you're focusing on Duran when he was in a slump for a couple of years. focus on the Duran who fought Leonard, Hagler, and at lightweight and see if you come to the same conclusion.

    Two can play that game, cause I guarantee you ANY version of Duran is head and shoulders better than Castillo and he gave Mayweather fits. I actually thought Lederman's and Dundee's analysis were the two best when it came to contrasting the two fighters.
     
  9. Sal-Chicha

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    Duran was at his worst at 154 and even still gave a good account of himself against talented 154lbers and no shame losing to the best 154lber of all time. Its for that reason Tommy gets credit for because he did what no one ever could and that's KO Duran, tho Duran was an atg LW and ww. But at LW or ww, where Floyd seems to look his best, Duran destroys him. Ortiz, Baldomir, Judah, etc get outclassed and destroyed much worse than what Floyd did to them.
     
  10. Sunchild78

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    The name calling is a sure sign I hit a nerve :happy If I'm a *****, heaven knows your jaw jacking Duran's ***** right about now. Damn 666 with the book you just wrote I hope Duran is paying you for it. Duran was a beast, but even he was able to be tamed and was tamed. Even if Floyd had to fight through out the entire fight, when has his stamina ever been an issue? When have he ever shown he can't adapt, and when have he ever shown that he can't win. I can say this about him because I'm speaking off facts. We can debate who's better, but up until this point Floyd has not shown why he could not have beaten Duran if they were in the same era. That's not to say that Duran would have definitely lost, or to say that he would have definitely won, but I am saying that it would not have been as easy of a win for Duran as you make it seem. Like I said if Leonard was able to out box and frustrate him. Then Floyd with his style of fighting combined with his defense could have done it as well. As crafty and hard to hit as you make Duran out to be, he was still easier to hit then Floyd.
     
  11. HolyCityBully

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    I honestly couldnt care less about your excuses.

    Every boxer, hell every athlete will go through slumps.

    If you want Duran's highs to be part of the equation, you must also accept his lows. In Duran's case, his lows arent about him being too old or too far past his prime.

    When I look at Duran's ENTIRE career, I see an ATG who could be outboxed when the pace was dictated to him instead of the other way around.
     
  12. rossco666

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    I agree. Floyds a great fighter but Like Dundee and the rest I just don't think he has the tools to beat prime Duran. Floyd has a chance vs poorer versions of Duran at the higher weights but at the end of the day prime for prime Duran was better at damn near everything and I have no doubt he would beat him handily.

    Roger Mayweather has been asked twice by reporter Elie Seckbach if Floyd could beat Duran and twice he never answered the question. saying along the lines of this ~ ''Duran was one of the greatest in the history of the sport, he was smart, knew how to adjust, he aint no easy mother ****er to beat'' Vids on youtube. The Mayweathers are huge on Duran, they usually **** talk everybody as well. I've seen a vid of Floyd Sr saying Duran was one of his fav fighters, calling him slick and a badass mofo.

    A lot of the guys who pick Floyd over Duran have not seen much of Duran. Just kids basically.
     
  13. VG_Addict

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    Could Alexis Arguello beat Floyd?
     
  14. MrPR

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    You forgot Super Judah .

    Who was beating Floyd at his own game early and knocked him down .

    Oscar gave him problems as well .
     
  15. dannylatics

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    Winky Wright would have beat Floyd