Greater fighter,based on history and quality of opponents. Ali or PBF

When was the last time Ali beat a great southpaw?

If you're gonna bring in ridiculous criteria to exclude guys like Canelo, I can play too.

 

1. Create a list of the Hall of Famers Ali beat (no Bob Foster's bum ass doesn't count. The guy sucked at heavy)
2. Create a list of Hall of Famers/potential Hall of Famers who Mayweather beat. You are a ****** if that list is missing Hatton, Canelo, Cotto, Mosley, or Corrales. At least three of them are getting in.
3. List the fighters who Ali lost to or got nonrematched gifts against
4. Do the same for Mayweather

Edit: Norton got in completely because he beat Ali

 

Maybe you should do it this way….
1)make a list of people mayweather beat in their primes that hall of famers and are actually in his weight class
2) make a list of people ali beat in their primes that are hall of famers and are actually in his weight class

mayweather beat diego corrales in his prime….and he prob wont be a hof. who else did he beat in their prime that people will remember?

miguel cotto -not in prime
ODLH- not even close to prime
SSM- Not even close
Rick Hatton- JWW who sucked at ww. Almost lost to Collazo…..
Can you name someone in their primes that he beat? Canelo? hes 23…… anyone else

also he was gifted a decision over castillo……
Oh and he ducked Margorito and PacMan……


do i really need to get into who ali beat.
who did ali duck again????

 

Ali's resume against Hall of Famers:

Liston: Beat a guy who was past prime with an injury. Rematch doesn't count, should've been an NC or DQ.

Patterson: Beat a guy who was past prime and tiny.

Foster: Bum at heavyweight

Frazier: Kicked Ali's ass in the fight that mattered

Norton: Got the best of Ali and is in the HOF solely for beating Ali.

Foreman: Good win, but Jimmy Young made the guy see God.

Holmes: Ass kicked horribly. Ali looked one million years old but wasn't much older than Mayweather currently is.

Gee, that's one hell of a resume.

 

First of all, I never called anyone a name. There's an "if attached to that.

Mayweather was an underdog against Corrales. He hasn't been an underdog since because there hasn't been an opponent in his weightclass who would be favored, including Pac. And he's moved from 30 to 54 so you can't claim he's afraid to move up. I scored both Castillo fights for Mayweather btw.

Now, Mayweather against Potential Hall of Famers and guys who already made it:

1. Genero Hernandez: dominant win over the champ who only lost to DLH

2. Corrales: beatdown of pfp top 5 fighter and undefeated champ

3. Gatti: butchery of Gatti during the best run of Gatti's career. (I do not support his induction)

4. Hatton: beatdown of pfp fighter and undefeated two division champ. Hatton WAS NOT at a size disadvantage

5. DLH: Clear win over first ballot hall of famer, outside of Mayweather's natural weight class. DLH was past it but still very good and had a considerable size advantage.

6. Marquez: perfect performance against pfp number 2 and current lightweight champ; PBF coming off a long layoff. It was viewed as a good challenge before the fight and written off due to the size disadvantage after, later proven invalid due to Marquez's past prime success at 147.

7. Mosely: beatdown of current 47 champ and pfp fighter coming off an extremely good win. Past prime but still very good.

8. Cotto: Clear win, size disadvantage. Cotto was coming off one of his best wins. This will go up in value if Cotto beats Martinez.

9. Canelo: Clear win, big size disadvantage. Canelo was not "green" since he had already been around for awhile and beaten Trout earlier.

Loses: None

This is objectively better than Ali's resume.

 

Fanboys having pissing contests again.

Why can't people just use their brains instead of their ego's and understand that both these guys have / had exceptional skills and stand out above the norm.

It is foolish to believe that Ali fought solely for the benefit of the fans, he took the fights that suited him best at the time, and that is what Mayweather does today.

Just accept what talents both were / are, and stop this garbage about who coulda, shoulda, woulda fought who.

 

If you want to live in cloud cuckoo land, fine, but don't be arrogant enough to expect everyone else to join you.

Ali like every other prize fighter, fought primarily for money. Many years ago I bought his Bio The Greatest, and it listed his fight purses, and it is also well known that in his " major " fights he got the same as the opponent. Where else was Ali going to get 5 million in 74 when King returned with the deal from the government in Ziarre? Sure he got more money than his opponents in his version of Joe Louis bum of the month club. But do you really think he was going to get paid millions for beating up the likes of Dunn, Coopman, Lubbers, and Wepner?

Boxing is a business, and Ali fought for the most money, and to get that money he fought the best, no question.

Since Ali's time things have changed radically in sport as far as finance is concerned. These days fighters have as many lawyers, and " advisers " as they have sparring partners. People like Mayweather can command huge amounts of money, and dictate what the opponent gets, just like Oscar did to him, just like Pac does, just like Leonard did.

Ali was never in that position, he was told by the promoter what was on offer, and took it or left it.

As I said boxing is now a business first and foremost, and if guys can earn millions for little or no risk they will take it, just like any other businessman, rather than go for the jackpot, and possibly lose. It is pure fantasy to suggest that Ali wouldn't have taken the Foreman, Frazier type money for beating up bums if it had been available to him at the time.