Does Mike Tyson have the Best Uppercut of All Time?

No Larry Holmes?atsch

 

I would say yes. Tyson could rip with both hands and had good speed with his uppercuts. Foreman`s may have been as hard or harder but I don`t think he had quite the speed or coordination Tyson brought.

I agree that Moorer deserves a mention as his right uppercut was terrific. His best punch.

 

Tyson's uppercuts were probably as good as any you'll see. I liked to see him throw the uppercut followed by a hook from the same side.

Some of the old-timers had awesome use of uppercuts on the inside, from inside the clinch.

Holyfield deserves a mention. Prime Holyfield.

 

86- 89,The untamed version of Mike is the Alpha Male Silverback Gorilla that took the best attributes of all the past greats and put them into one. It's hard to make the argument that Foreman, Ali, Holyheadbutterfield,Frazier,Lewis,Holmes,Marciano,Klit and co, Louis, Liston, Patterson,Dempsey,Johnson, Lyle,Shavers or anyone else wouldn't have their hands full with this version of Tyson . Who had all of the attributes maxed out like Tyson did? He had speed,power, durability, stamina, attitude and refusal of nothing less than Victory. It was a short lived time that Mike seemed invincible but in order to maintain all these attributes in the state and level that they were in is a task that only a mutant could do. Mike was reveled to be human to much of the public's disbelief and his abilities declined just as they do for any mortal being . I truly believe that we will never see anything like this again in our lifetime.

 

The uppercut Mannie Steward trained Lewis to throw FOR Mike Tyson was better than any uppercut thrown BY Mike Tyson

 

For that fight ok, put that same Lewis in with an 86-89 version , Mikes reactions were too Matrix for Lennox . Mike would've destroyed Lewis within 5-6rds during his prime , Lennox was 14 or 15-0 by late 90 early 91. Was it politics that was keeping Lennox from challenging or was his camp protecting their guy . It wasn't until 12 years later and a lost past his prime,post prison version of Tyson lost his ass to a Lennox that was built up . You can argue this point both ways. Them facing in 2012 was the Holmes/Ali scenario . I'm not stupid I know mike didn't have Parkinson's and mike wasn't 40 , he just wasn't the Tyson that he was before .

Does Holmes beat the Ali who woo whoo-d the people of Zaire?

 

Tyson all time, currently JMM.

I'm not sure who it was against but Duran threw the best uppercut I've ever seen. Knocked the guy cold. It was a long uppercut behind a long jab, a bit like how JMM throws them.

Lewis had a brutal uppercut.

 

the only person I've ever heard say that Lewis didn't school Tyson in the Catskills other than in their first round was Mike Tyson.

BOTH of them in their prime I'd still back Lewis to beat Tyson, but that wasn't my point.

Mannie Steward developed that uppercut specifically for Tyson, it wasn't there pre McCall, but it was by Butler and Fortune. Tysons uppercut wasn't even Mike Tysons best punch let alone a best punch. His left hook on the other had....

 

I never said the uppercut was his best I said that all his attributes were maxed as well as agreeing for their fight that Lewis was better. Steward could've developed a around the back left hook to the face but It's a different fight w 86-89 Tyson .
Ps learn to read and interpret bc you spun my post to your liking to try to bash.

 

I like what Lennox did in his career especially avenging losses .

 

You didnt say it was , but the thread title implied it was, which i what I was responding to, not anyone personally, I thought we all were?
Steward created that uppercut specifically for a smaller fighter, specifically Mike Tyson, the ones he took ****** Fortune out with are good examples.

The Lewis- Tyson debate has raged for years. People say Tyson in his prime etc, and then match him with a Lewis outside of his prime, I dont think that does either any real justice.

They met in a ring as kids, and Lewis came out on top. At that point Lewis was no where near the beast he developed into but Tyson was.

We are just goin to have to agree to disagree on that

 

PS Im not having a go, or bashing, Im just contributing to the debate, I just rather not litter my posts with smileys lol

 

Totally agree

 

Awesome, I'm probably more to blame as far as veering off topic but to each his own .Maybe I was just meaning to say that it's more that Tyson knew all the chords and all the scales(guitar reference) I also would have to say Steward probably modified Lewis's uppercut as part of the game plan for Tyson after studying years and years and years of film on Tyson . The uppercut has been around for as long as Pugilism has been around and every fighter can throw different variations of it in adaptation for the opponent he's facing .

Yeah, debating a prime vs prime is an endless debate with anybody . Everyone throws their subjective viewpoints out there and hardly budges. I wonder if a lot of the backing and undeniable belief that ones favorite fighter or GOAT has to do with geographic location of residence,time frame in which they watched that fighter etc . (Did they actually get to watch the fighter as they were growing up which can leave quite the impression)

IMO Lewis beating Tyson on that day wAs no surprise to me and I wouldn't even consider it a quality win . I don't think Foreman was a quality win for Tommy Morrison because we all know that prime George probably ends it early with Tommy . I don't consider Ali a quality win for Holmes . Lewis had already solidified his legacy without Tyson . In retrospect you can see people making the same debate about Tyson's opponents . The debate is endless, like a wind up robot that continues to walk into a wall.

 

yeah, thats what I meant with Steward. He worked with Lewis on his uppercut to prep him for Tyson. I think thats a pretty huge compliment to Tyson that he was training Lewis for their meeting years before it was going to happen.

He did the same with McCall and the left hook he knocked Lewis out with. He could see Lewis always dropped his left whenever he started to wind up a big right and schooled him to see the hand start to move and unleash the hook straight away. Mccall never saw the punch he won the world title with , he literally threw it with his eyes closed.

I don't know many boxing fans that gave Tyson much more than a punchers chance against Lewis, which is a terrible thing to say about a fighter once as dominant as Tyson had been. I knew a lot of non boxing fans who did though, I sat in a room with a load and took all their money off them. It put Tsons name on Lewis' record and little more.

Tysons post match interview when he wiped blood off Lewis cheek and thanked him for the payday sealed my opinion that everyone involved knew it was a mismatch ( it wouldnt have been with a different Mike) but Mike needed the money and Lewis wanted his notch on the belt.