"If you retire undefeated it means you didn't fight everyone you were supposed to"

i can't believe you of all people is still sticking to this rubbish.

Tarver was a nobody. Jones refused to fight him.

DM is an interesting one though because that fight, other than a couple of times, wasn't mentioned as a fight that had to be made. why? who knows. some things happen like that.

 

i voted no because of the phrasing. "supposed to" what kind of **** is that.

 

trust me, this isn't aimed at Ward. this is Calzaghe he's talking about.

Froch will be in a nursing home and still be bitchy about Joe.

 

Ottke was never Lineal. he never wanted to fight Joe. he and his team made that very clear.

Froch was a no one at the time. you don't fight Carl bloody Froch instead of Bernard Hopkins. to say he should have only reveals and exposes your agenda.

Johnson didn't happen due to injury, but he isn't someone you NEED to beat to legitimize yourself. everyone beat Glen.

Lucas and Bayer are two others that wanted nothing to do with Joe. Lucas asked for stupid money for a unification. that just wasn't going to happen.

Calz would have beat the **** out of all of them. no competition here i'm afraid. not even close to being so.

 

you can't blame Joe when he was the one willing to fight Jones. you just can't. that would be unfair.

 

"I'm not chasing Roy Jones" nodded Joe Calzaghe in complete agreement by direct quote.

 

38 *****s have spoken!

 

Fair enough Ottke wasn't lineal, just checked. But he was number 1 for years and unified. I truly believe someone like Froch would've found a way to fight him if they were in the same era. He would've taken short money or fought away or in neutral territory. Calzaghe wouldn't have taken short money or gone abroad and his promoter would never risk his cash cow.

Johnson would've been a good name on the record. Seeing how he beat Roy Jones and Antonio Tarver, who knows if he might've shocked Calzaghe.

When you say Lucas and Beyer asked for stupid money, that's W-arren talking again. I'm sure Calzaghe might've been willing to fight all these people, but his promoter was making loads on him at home and made tonnes of excuse for not getting the tricky fights done just because he could take the much bigger shares against the likes of Ashira and Manfredo.

You can say Froch was a nobody with no chance, but doing that you wouldn't get a fight like Froch v Groves I and the biggest ever British fight that is the rematch at Wembley. Kirkland was meant to beat Ishida, Lewis was meant to beat Rahman on paper. If they never fought obviously you would say definitely Lewis would smash Rahman, but you've gotta actually go and do the fight and earn the actual credibility. If Calzaghe had those names on his record instead of the Pudwills and Salems I'm saying his record would be indisputable of fighting the best, but he had too many easy fights to defend when I was a fan watching him.

 

Seriously man, WAKE UP!

Willing?

How many more times?

He was willing, why? Because he SAID so?

Go and look at who he fought from Eubank to Lacy in that 9 year period.

Do you think it was a coincidence that he fought all of those guys?

Poor Joe, was desperate for the big fights, but couldn't them.

He was willing to fight Roy, but not willing to fight in America or at his weight class at 175?

The fact that you hold Roy responsible for the fight not taking place sooner, is truly BAFFLING.

 

Marciano never fought Nino Valdez, who for a time was #1 contender.

 

Both were responsible. It doesn't matter anyway, they were in different weight classes. Both were willing to fight each other but neither was desperate to fight each other. This thread shouldn't be all about Calzaghe anyway.

 

Carl Froch= Grade A *****. Completely exposed for his multiple technical flaws recently, Calzaghe would have picked him off IMO.

 

Jones agreed to fight the winner of Tarver-Harding... Two big LHW southpaws.. How many southpaws has Joe fought? Interesting I read a link posted by Zod that said Joe didn't like fighting other southpaws.

I am just pointing out that LHW was a tough division when Roy and DM were prime, and Joe could have forced a fight with Roy had he moved up and beat some of those guys...

I think duck is a strong word, and I don't accuse Joe of ducking, but I don't think he truly chased the toughest fights like some claim.

Bernard Hopkins flat out refused to move up to LHW and fight prime Roy claiming he was too big, but 4 years later moved up and beat an even bigger Tarver and after the fight said he could have moved up 4 years earlier.

 

There were a few years there at LHW where G. Johnson was a much better fighter than he was at SMW.... He would have given LHW Joe a hell of a fight. Joe probably would have broke his hands, I heard hitting Glen was like punching a tree that hits back.

 

Who cares about technical flaws. Haven't you seen Foreman/Lyle - do you wish that never happened? Froch was around at the same time, if Calzaghe would've picked him off he should've done it.