This man defeats Mayweather at every weight category from 135-154!

I'm not twisting anything. I'm also considering the Moore fight which I'm guessing you never saw. And at 160 he barely lost to Hagler (one of the top 5 ATG middleweights) and beat Barkley. So unlike you, I'm not cherry picking one or two fights.

 

Rather than petty remarks watch the documentary and come to your own conclusions.

 

no I've watched the Moore fight. It's too bad that guy just happened to not show up against the two slick fighters he fought at 154. And I saw the Hagler fight and thought Hagler was in control the majority of the fight. The Barkley win was very good

 

Well I guess a split decision loss out of 119 fights and 104 wins means more to you than it does to me.

 

well looking back at Duran's career, I try to see the guys he lost to in his prime and 3 guys who are very similar are Laing, Benetiz and Leonard. Leonard was the best one of them and Duran has a win over him.

Duran is better than the other 2 guys and so is Mayweather imo, yet he still lost to them. They also fight in similar styles to Mayweather.

So I just take the information given to me and make a conclusion

 

What do you think I'm doing, I am concluding that you are getting roasted after every inconclusive post you make. I have also concluded that you are a glutton for punishment. Better yet, I have concluded that you didn't learn anything from the second Leonard vs Duran fight cause you don't know when it's time to say no mas.

 

And what I do is I look at the comp Mayweather has, and just as importantly hasn't fought.

Factor into the equation that Mayweather has brittle hands as Lederman rightly pointed out and isn't nearly the puncher Duran is.

Factor in that it's my belief that Mayweather doesn't like getting into dog fights or getting hit and then consider the excellent analysis by both Angelo Dundee and Lederman and I believe these all point to a Duran win.

 

Manfred, I really don't care what you think, because you don't have the ability to put forth any type of analysis. You've lowered your comments to just spewing garbage.

I too have my own conclusions, which is that school must be hard for you.

The only thing I'm guilty of is reading these rather mediocre analysis and comments for too long.

Those who are less tolerant than I am of it, were smart enough to leave the thread.

Anyway guys who know a lot more about boxing than I do, such as Lederman and Angelo Dundee, have pretty much the same opinion of a mythical match up as I do, and I can live with that quite nicely.

Here's a refresher, perhaps you'll accidently learn something


Angelo Dundee (Hall of Fame trainer of Muhammad Ali and Sugar Ray Leonard, among many others): “Oh gosh, Duran’s a living legend. And one of the best fighters today is Floyd Mayweather. That would be some fight. I tell you – it would be Floyd Mayweather’s toughest encounter. Duran against a guy with quick hands like Mayweather – he could nullify that. Duran offset quick hands through feints, head feints, foot feints and foot movements. He was a complete fighter. He had all that stuff going for him. Then he nails you. Then he bulls you too. Mayweather would be facing something he never faced before. You’re saying the fight would be at lightweight? I like Duran. Duran was slick, smart, body puncher, made you fall short with punches. At lightweight I would like Duran. He could get under your skin too. He could con you. He had ways to bother you. He was like Muhammad Ali in that way, but he couldn’t speak English. Duran was a real psyche artist.
“It’s tough. Mayweather always rises to the occasion. He impresses the hell out of me. I knew Duran from the inception – he trained at the Fifth Street Gym (Miami). I watched him all the time. A guy I trained, Duran was working with him – Vinnie Curto. A lightweight hurting a middleweight. There was no smarter, cuter fighter than Vinnie Curto.

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. Certain guys give certain guys problems. We haven’t seen what gives Mayweather problems. Are we talking 15 rounds? I like Duran. I like Duran. You’re talking about Mayweather going 15 rounds. Duran was pressure, pressure. He was strong. He could punch. God, he was a great lightweight. He takes advantage of every little thing. And he did it smooth, with grace. Everything was slick and smart. I like Duran.”


Harold Lederman (World-renowned boxing judge): “Duran in his prime vs. Mayweather in his prime…without question, I think it would be no contest. I did see Roberto Duran in his prime. I was in Madison Square Garden the first time he came in he fought Benny Huertas in that incredible one round fight. When he knocked out Benny Huertas. But they went toe-to-toe for the better part of one round. And at the that time Duran made such a big hit that they brought him back after. And I was the judge in that first fight that Roberto Duran ever lost to Esteban DeJesus in Madison Square Garden, where Duran walked into a left hook in the second round and he was sitting on the canvas looking up at DeJesus. And DeJesus just cruised to a ten-round decision. They fought two times after that for the Lightweight championship and Duran won both of them.
“But interestingly enough, Roberto Duran was an aggressive, very, very quick, very, very well trained, very well conditioned fighter.

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. I mean, Duran was extremely aggressive. Hit very, very hard. Just an awful guy to beat. I mean, you had to be very, very strong and have a heckuva punch to hold him off.

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“But with Duran, you had to have a heckuva punch or a heckuva great left jab to keep him off of you. Duran would have hammered him to the body. Eventually probably stopped him in eight or nine rounds.”

 

so what? Duran hits harder than Benetiz as well. Floyd can hold his own in a dog fight and he can prevent a dog fight from breaking out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pr76moW7Ojg

everybody should take time to watch that fight

 

It's just that I get tired of reading stupid **** and I have a real need for it to end. You keep coming with the same old tired ass argument when you're getting strong and logical information that it don't have to be that way and in all probability is not that way. What you're trying to do is advance some unsubstantiated bull**** as to why Duran lost that second fight. I'm not buying it and nobody else is but you keep grinding on it like it's gospel when it's really only your opinion. I got news for you, I know a lot more about boxing than you do also but I got enough sense to know that if I not stating facts then it's only my opinion and it's just as good as Lederman's or Angelo's. Fold that **** up and sit on it.

 

Nah......Duran can't beat Floyd in any weight class.

 

If that's the version of Duran you want to pick than you could pick hundreds of fighters who would beat him.

In round 6 both commentators said that this was a mere shadow of the Duran who fought Leonard or even Benetiz. They presented a shopping list of what Duran normally does compared to what he did in this fight. Take that for what it's worth.

I agree everyone should watch this fight but also listen to the commentary as well and ask yourself if that's the version you'd think Mayweather would be fighting. If it is, certainly Mayweather would win. But at the end the commentators were saying he should retire and they don't want to remember this version of Duran, that's how bad he was.

Now watch this fight and compare the difference

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGTlQsjzmWU

 

Do you honestly believe that your opinion or even mine, is as meaningful as Dundee and Lederman?

These guys have seen more fights and have probably forgotten more technical knowledge than either of us could dream of having. How ****ing conceded are you?

But if you're to lazy to try and learn anything, then go ahead and wallow in your ignorance.

As for the 2nd fight all I've said is watch the documentary from 31:00 to 34:30 and arrive at your own conclusions.

And stop acting like you're speaking for a whole forum dumbass, you're just one poster, don't act like you're some kind of spokesman.

 

All you doing now is writing other peoples opinions and as you well know, opinions are like ass holes, etc, etc. Here's one of mine. Floyd Mayweather is so good that we haven't seen the best of him yet because there hasn't been anybody good enough to bring it out. Mayweather has the style, the toughness and the boxing IQ to beat a Roberto Duran. One thing I truly believe and that is that Mayweather will never quit in a fight unless he was incapable of continuing. Floyd Mayweather is a better boxer than Leonard. Now Leonard was faster with combos and flashier but Floyd's are more precise and straight. His foot movement is better and he adjusts much faster and better than Leonard. His chin is just a good as Leonard's. Got hit flush by Canelo and didn't blink, got rocked by Mosley and proceeded to beat the brakes off his ass in the same round, Ortiz hit him full force with a thirty pound head and he didn't buckle, he just dropped his ass with a two piece. The man has true grit and I refuse to automatically concede to a Duran victory. That would be irresponsible on my part.

 

No one is expecting you to concede anything, we just have a different opinion of how good you think Floyd is relative to Duran and SRL. I simply haven't seen any indicating by Floyd that he could ever hurt these type of fighters. And his comp is so poor that it's hard to properly judge his skill set because his level of competition is so inferior to that of Duran and SRL. I also think that if past prime Mosley could rock Mayweather, Duran would be a hellish fight for him, cause if he hurt a fighter he was relentless. In fact against De Jesus, when Duran hurt him the commentator basically said the fight is over, and within 30 seconds it was.

But in giving dues to Mayweather he could potentially beat Duran, I just would be betting big money on either a Duran KO or a Duran decision.

What's disappointing in all of this is Pac who doesn't have the tenacity, the defense, the chin, or the punching power of Duran, would still have served as a decent proxy in which to see how Mayweather would have done against this style. But rather than take that fight...

Also against Canelo, Mayweather insisted that the fight be at 152, Duran never in his life made anyone fight at a catchweight, after he left lightweight, he always fought at a fighters best weight, no strings attached and in fact against Barkley he came in at 154, Barkley weighed 160 and towered over Duran. And Duran dropped Barkley, the same Barkley who had recently beat Hearns. As for boxing IQ I'd actually give the edge to Duran on that. Read what Dundee had to say about Duran's boxing IQ or listen to what Al Bernstein had to say about Duran's boxing IQ while commentating the Duran-Moore or the Duran-Barkley fights. Better yet, watch these fights.

And btw, using quotes from experts in the field is called supporting my analysis. If you've ever written any papers at a post secondary school it's standard practise.