Which fights would u like to see @147 ?

lets leave the Bradley one for a moment and discuss pacquaio no way can you tell me what mayweather does better then pacquaio in apart from running and avoiding shots:good

 

^^So hold on for a second, are you saying that you are WRONG about Bradley vs FLoyd?

Just admit it and I'll be more than happy to dissect a hypothetical matchup of FLoyd vs manny with you.

You said in the previous page that Bradley is the better fighter than FLoyd and your reasoning was that he's "tougher" (whatever that means.) Please clarify.

 

Bradley has more heart and balls then duckweather this is a fact and Bradley would find a way to beat the coward now tell me what duckweather does better then pacquaio in apart from running and avoiding shots I know for a fact you can not debate me in this subject :rofl

 

He is younger than Floyd and in better condition and he has the foot- and handspeed to stay on his ass and remain a high workrate for 12 rounds.
Bradley can fight dirty and rough his opponents up, Floyd doesn't like that too.
I still think May would beat Bradley but its not like Bradley is a no hoper, he has some unique qualities that Floyd hasn't seen in a while and that could potentially pose some problems and an upset isn't totally out of question imo.
The fight vs Provo is irrelevant, Bradley couldn't cope with Provos power which is no shame.
Mayweather doesn't possess that kind of power and won't look for exchanges.
It would look more like Bradley - Alexander (with a much more skilled version of Alexander of course).

 

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Listen, I actually love Pacman as well. My 3 favorite active fighters are Pac, JMM and FLoyd, so i don't have only 1 horse in any of these races. I actually hated it when JMM decided to take on Floyd and than ended up getting whitewashed in that matchup 12-0 with one KD.

As far as FLoyd vs Manny, even a 2009 version of Pacman was someone I couldn't favor against FLoyd for these simple reasons:

Floyd is much taller than Manny and has a bigger reach advantage. This would be the first time in a long time Manny is taking on someone who'd actually be the larger man in the ring and not be in a catchweight position (i.e. as it was with a 147 lb DLH or a 150 lb Margarito.)

While Manny packs a more solid punch than FLoyd, FLoyd's fists aren't made of pillows either. I don't think Manny's handspeed is clearly superior to FLoyd's, I just think people assume that because Manny puts together 4-5 punch combinations while FLoyd only puts 2-3 at most. BUt looking at how he utilizes that lead right and his hooks, and it's apparent to me Floyd has blazingly good handspeed himself.

Than we talk about both of them as boxers and FLoyd has the clear advantage their. His punches are more accurate, more crisp and he just has a higher level of efficiency overall when he decides to throw punches.

Manny lunges in way too much before he starts his attack which leads him constantly susceptible to getting caught with clean counterpunches. And this is where FLoyd would really shine as he's currently the best counterpuncher in the game today.

Than we get into defense: Manny has never seen a defense like Floyd. Ever. Manny will recognize very quickly that his 4-5 punch combinations won't land on Floyd like they would against the majority of his opposition. He'll miss a lot of shots, he'll get countered along the way and than his overall punch output will gradually decline as the fight goes on as he'll become trigger shy probably by mid rounds.

What's Manny going to do exactly? He won't fight him from a distance, FLoyd is the larger man with longer arms and better boxing ability, he'll pick him apart from the outside.

So Manny will have to go for broke, jump inside in that lunging manner that he's always done, and he'll recognize very quickly that his opponent is just too accurate with his lead rights, his jabs and his hooks, he'll continually time Manny every time he comes in, and there's a good chance he could stop him in the late rounds from an aggregate of punishment.

Lastly, Manny could try to pin him on the ropes and fight him in a dirty manner. But Manny is a very poor inside fighter, especially on the ropes. FLoyd is naturally bigger than Manny and can actually have his way with him on the inside/pressed on the ropes.

I'd expect Manny to start the fight trying to throw a lot of punches FLoyd's way, probably connecting once out of ever 4 or 5 shots, but while the fight continues and FLoyd has his timing down and continually nails him with accurate counterpunches, Manny's punch output will start to drastically decline, he'll start to second guess himself, than Floyd will really start to put the pressure on.

Maybe Manny can land that million dollar punch. i wouldn't bet on it though. I think Floyd beats him in a late TKO or he cruises to a pretty wide UD. BUt please remember, FLoyd always does his best work in his biggest fights.

I want to end my statement by saying that JMM gave Pacman hell for 4 fights. FLoyd is a larger version of JMM, who's more patient than Maruqez in the pocket, a better counterpuncher (which is saying a lot since JMM is great himself,) has an exponentially better defense than JMM, and he's also a stronger man than him.

How exactly do you think Manny would beat Floyd in a 12 round fight? JMM gave him a war for 4 fights, Floyd is clearly superior to JMM in ever facet in the boxing ring. It would be a destruction in my eyes unless Manny lands that million dollar punch.

 

Really, he's better conditioned than Floyd? Do you really want to use that argument? Bradley sure looked gassed in the final round against a slow-prodding fighter in Ruslan. If the fight went on for maybe another round, Ruslan had a good chance to knock him out.

Not to sound rude, but if you're going to try and use the conditioning aspect of fighting as your argument as to why bradley is better than Floyd than I don't see any reasoning debating you. That's completely wrong, I'm not even going to delve into this debate with you because you don't have a clue about what you're saying.

And I'd love to see him pressure Floyd for 12 rounds while he's getting picked apart from the outside or getting countered everytime he tries to bumrush FLoyd. I'd believe it if Bradley didn't have pillows in his fist, but he does. He'll get taken to school pretty badly.

And lastly, don't use age as a factor. you're talking about a 37 year old anomaly who's been one of the best fighters in the sport since 1998. Really stupid, stupid reasonings behind your argument.

 

first I applaud you for your in depth detail. second every top fighter who never ducked fighters will find one fighter he struggles with like fraizer was for ali and for me pacquaios style is to wrong for mayweather he is a southpaw with crazy speed and not only that PUNCHING POWER

for me pacquaio speed and power and relentlessness would be to much for duckweather he will find him with his left and its over

 

^^ Well I appreciate your comment, and while I don't agree with your opinion, I will say that anything can happen in boxing.

DOn't get me wrong, I don't think FLoyd wuld've ran over a 2009 version of Manny. I thought Floyd was probably a 60-40 or 65-35 favorite. If Pacman was actually Floyd's size, it mightve been closer to a 50-50 fight in my eyes.

But at 2014, especially with the trajectories of both fighters the past 3 years, I'd say it's probably 70-30 now. Manny still has immense power and terrific handspeed, so I guess anything can happen in boxing. It's just that with Mayweather, he always takes the suspense out of fights and also removes his oppositions one punch power by ad******g accordingly in the fight (i.e. Mosley.)

 

mayweather always struggled with southpaws but this southpaw (pacquaio) will be the fastest and most powerful he faced

 

Like I said, Bradley didn't gas against Provo, he couldn't cope with Provos power and was on ***** street for a big portion of the fight.
Provo is one of the best pressure fighters in the sport and p4p one of the hardest punchers, why do you compare him to Floyd?
That fight tells you nothing about how he would do vs Floyd.
You got any other examples of fights where Bradley "gassed"?
No, because there are none, because Bradley doesn't gas....
Bradley is just as big a fitness-junkie as Floyd, but he is younger.
And I don't care if you don't don't wanna hear it, age is a factor and yes, Floyd is still human.
When was the last time Floyds condition really got tested? Hatton? DLH?

 

Floyd's conditioning has never gotten tested in a fight really. Maybe against JLC. I can't remember a time in his 17+ year career where he was actually gassed out/tired in the latter rounds.

And the whole age thing has to get thrown out of the window when talking about Mayweather. He's really in a class all to himself. A 37 year old man who's universally recognized as the # 1 fighter P4P today?

Name to me anyone in the history of boxing who is doing what he's doing? Ray Robinson was shot by 37, Greb didn't fight at that age, leonard was in and out of the ring throughout the entire 80's and a portion of the 90's.

Aside from possibly Hopkins who was a top P4P stalwart in his late 30's there's been no boxer in the history of the sport who was considered the very best P4P at such an advanced age. And when you see him actually fight inside the ring, I don't think many people say "wow, look how old that guy is?." rather, they marvel at his overall ability, even at 37-38.

I like Bradley, he's a tough, game fighter. But he doesn't hold one advantage over FLoyd in the ring. I mean seriously, I don't want to break down every physical attribute between the 2 men, but it's clearly apparent FLoyd's hold almost every advantage there is to have inside the ring against Timmy.

Just the ring experience and defense alone make hime clearly superior than Timmy. Factor those in with the fact he's the naturally taller man with a lengthier reach and that he's just the more fundamentally sound boxer, and I just can't understand how anyone would favor Timmy over FLoyd.

At least in manny's case, his handspeed and power are quite superior to Timmy, so i can see why people would give Pacman a shot against Floyd. But Bradley has never really had dynamo power, even when he was at 140 lbs. HOw exactly would Bradley beat Mayweather? He's not going to outbox him nor is he going to outpower him.

I just can't imagine any instance where Bradley beats Mayweather. It's a bad matchup for Timmy stylistically. Floyd is too big, too slick and his defense is something Bradley has NEVER seen in his life before. He wouldn't be taking on marquez who can be easily hit, he'd be taken on a guy who rarely ever gets touched cleanly.

 

all the 147s are in fights so it hard to say.
theres alot going on once it unfolds we will see who should fight

thurman should be ready for a big fight after his april fight

 

I almost forgot the thread topic. lol

I would like to see, like everyone else, Pacquiao vs Mayweather.