This man defeats Mayweather at every weight category from 135-154!

your entitled to your opinon, mine is that floyd is top 3 atg and duran is a top 40 atg.

 

for durans entire career he has only defeated 12 champions, floyd has defeated 22. of durans 80 fights how many were championship fights?

50% of floyds fights have been championship fights not fighting cab drivers.

 

Congratulations, you've officially made my ignore list.

 

Why compare an active fighter and retired fighter?

 

they realize pacquiao is a scrub., and that floyd is top 3 atg right now and can only go higher than duran, hence the constant threads about duran, knowing damn well duran was a quitter, who didnt do anytrhing outside of 135, besides lose to the best fighters of his era.

 

This is the only guy outside of Benitez that Floyd should be matched up against hypothetically from those great 80's fighters.

Leonard, Hearns and Hagler were all MUCH larger men who went on to fight all the way up at LHW. SO those 3 guys should never be mentioned, they're just much naturally larger men that started at a much higher weight division than FLoyd did.

But Duran came from a smaller weight class and size wise, him, Floyd and Benitez are 3 guys that should be paired up together in hypothetical matchups. I think Floyd beats Benitez in a narrow UD between 2 master boxers with elite defenses. That would be a true chess match.

It's hard for me to pick a clear cut winner between Duran and FLoyd. I will say though that Duran always had a hard time against slick boxers who had good head movement and utilized the entire ring properly with good footwork ability.

It's hard for me to put too much stock into Duran's performances against Leonard. In their first fight in Montreal, Leonard was VERY green still, he was only a 4 year professional at that point coming off his biggest win (Benitez,) but he was taken on a guy who was 78-1 and just receiving the fighter of the decade accolade. That's a VERY big difference in overall ring experience and it was apparent in that fight.

Even though he rushed the rematch, it was still quite impressive how Leonard beat DUran in their rematch. He frustrated Duran by exhibiting excellent defensive maneuvers, backpedaling at times in the fight and utilizing the entire ring to his advantage rather than just trading in the pocket for long periods of time like he did previously in MOntreal.

Leonard had a very unusual career. I honestly believe that he never truly fought in his absolute prime because of his detached retina. I guess you can make a case he was JUST starting to get into his prime after his signature come from behind victory over Hearns in 1981. But still, a relatively green and inexperienced Ray leonard clearly beat Duran in their 2nd go around by prioritizing his defense rather than trying to knock Duran's head off.

I always thought FLoyd posed a bad matchup to Duran stylistically. But Duran is one of the greatest pressure fighters ever (he's right up there with Armstrong,) but I could envision FLoyd being on his bicycle most of the fight and just frustrating the hell out of Duran, whether at 135 or 147.

 

Come on, you know that's not true. He's had some very big wins in weight classes outside of 135 lbs. One fight I WISH he had would be at 140 lbs against Aaron Pryor. Now that would've had the chance to be one of the greatest fights in the history of the sport.

But he had solid wins at higher weights, I mean even though he was still green (only a 4 year pro,) he did give Ray Leonard his first loss, he knocked out Davey Moore, he did compete admirably against Hagler at 160 and he did beat Barkley for the MW title. And he did all of these things a decade after he won the fighter of the decade award in the 70's.

It's safe to say that while Duran was more accomplished at 135, he fought the bigger name fighters at 147, 154 and 160 lbs. I think his biggest victories at 135 were probably against an undefeated Bucchanan at MSG (very controversial ending,) and avenging his loss to Esteban Dejesus.

On a side note, I think FLoyd is an ATG, but definitely not a top 3 ATG. Some of those guys at the top of the mantle have some ridiculous resumes that's littered with a bunch of HOF'ers. It's not fair to compare him to them because guys in previous eras easily fought over 150 times. In this era, him getting up to 50 pro fights is probably the equivalent to a fighter back than winning 200 (i.e. WIllie Pep.)

I do believe he's in the top 20 though. He's built an incredible resume for himself up to this point.

 

You sound like a fcuking idiot, lad.

Outside of his marquee division, he beat.

147 lb champion Sugar Ray Leonard
154 lb champion Davey Moore

and when he was 38, he beat 160 lb champion Iran Barkley who was coming fresh off a win over Tommy Hearns.

 

I gotta disagree about Roberto having trouble with slick fighters when in his prime he used a jab, cut the ring off, and attacked the body moreso than the head. Usually after pounding the body he'd knock the head off. Srl wasn't that much bigger than Floyd what he did have was bigger balls for facing the best. Durans era was.just stacked with fighters as good or better than Floyd. Floyd wouldn't be anything special or even Durans greatest top 3 opponent he would of have faced. Nothing Srl could of done to beat Montreal Duran nothing Floyd would of done neither.

 

Now, the above statement makes a lot of sense. It was neutral and enlightening. :good

 

Floyd is 5' 8" and SRL is 5' 10" with a much bigger frame.

 

I don't know why the Mayweather and Pac fight didn't take place but it don't weaken my resolve in saying that he is the best fighter of his era.
Actually, I think it will still happen but only on Mayweather's time. Let me add this, Pac don't have all the skills of Duran but he does have all the tenacity. As for Duran's defense, He didn't have much. His offense was his best defense. He was at his weakest when backing up. I think it's great that Duran never fought at a catchweight but still it doesn't cheapen Mayweather because he did. As you well know, there are two sides to that story and the other one is that Canelo's team offered that weight and The Money team accepted. what's the real and what's not? You don't know, nor do I. That's a moot point anyways, cause the man came in the ring weighing in the neighborhood of 165 lbs. I don't need somebody else's opinion to support my opinion because in the end that's all they are. Now if you had a fact based opinion I would tend to agree because 1 plus 1 is two wherever you're at in the world and that's a fact. However, you don't. :bbb

 

I can't believe I'm having a discussion with someone who said Duran didn't have much defense.

You don't spend most of your career fighting in a phone booth if you don't have any defense. He slipped and rolled with punches as good as anyone.

 

just because a guy is in another era dorsnt mean you cant rank him. when you measure floyds career to the best that ever did it, he is top 3 atg.