The "All Things Mayweather/Pacquiao" Express!!!!!!

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  1. M.3

    M.3 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    What a coincidence.. Pac is a fast southpaw.. I guess he it's also vulnerable to Asians and guys that name starts with a M too huh?
     
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    Refined defensive maturity improves chin...not extra weight
     
  3. 1 Hitta Quitta

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    I think the reason for that is if you look at Mayweather's last 10 bouts there are few top tier in their prime fighters. In the past great fighters typically fight other great fighters every 3rd or 4th fight when they are at the top. Credit given for fighting Canelo, Cotto and Hatton(due to his undefeated record at the time). But after that not very impressive, first you got the oldies - DLH, Mosley. Then you got the B and C level fighters - Guerrero, Ortiz, Judah, Baldomir. Then you got the urine drinking fat flabby and slow JMM who went up to fight him. Sure 10 wins is 10 wins and JMM, DLH, Mosley and Cotto are HOF fighters but 3 of those HOF fighters were either old or fighting at a weight too high to be competitive.
     
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    Yeah, Judah wasn't a fast southpaw or anything. And by the way who isn't at least some what vulnerable to a fast southpaw?
     
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    Roger is a 2 time world champion and put Sweet Pea on his ass.

    Something Chavez didn't do.
     
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    Hmm what did Chavez do to Mayweather :think How quickly you forget ..You are this sites worts poster no doubt about it !
     
  8. Lady Girl

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  11. modernfonzie

    modernfonzie Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    When someone doesn't lose, when someone doesn't ever look rattled, when someone finds a way to overcome repeatedly, when someone takes a part every fighter that is a challenge on paper. All you can do is criticize his opposition. Realistically, with an unbiased agenda, he's taken on very good fighters. Every time out. EVERY TIME. There are no cab drivers on his resume. At all.

    Guys like Pacquiao, Mosley, Cotto, Marquez. all have C and D fighters on their recent resume.

    Guys like Rios. Guys Like Delvin Rodriguez. Guys like Mora. Guys like Fedchenko.

    Floyd doesn't have any of those. If you want to consider Maidana a stay busy fight, or a tuneup. Look at who he's fighting. It's Maidana. Any other guy in the sport fights Maidana, and it would be okay. It would be arguably one of the biggest fights of their career. But with Floyd. It's criticized. Because once again, when there are no flaws, you have to go to opposition.

    His tuneup is a major title holder at 147, coming off 4 very good wins, the biggest win of his career, and yet somehow it's criticized.

    People have such a thirst to see him lose that anyone who doesn't have a major advantage is considered a cherry pick. Canelo Alvarez was a cherry pick too.

    I mean look at the Cotto fight. He had a bloody nose. And it was a big deal to people. Like "Oh **** a boxer got a bloody nose". That was actually news. I saw fu---ing bleacher report articles and **** on his bloody nose. Word got out he fought in the pocket against Cotto, and people said his legs were gone.

    He used movement with The Ghost, and then all of a sudden he's running. Fights in the pocket with Canelo, and it's "Canelo was too young" but Mosley was "too old". And Cotto was "too old" despite being younger

    The bigger picture is this. Unless he loses people won't be happy. That's his legacy now. He'll be criticized his entire career. Realistically he has at least 8-12 future HOF's on his resume. And I think he'll be appreciated once he's gone.

    It's not that he takes bad fights. It's that the skill level difference is so vast that whoever he fights, it's seen as a mismatch.

    That's all it is. Just pure hate. he's got a big ass mouth, and he backs it up. Nothing more

    Maidana is not a bad fighter. He's just a bad fighter compared to Floyd. As with all his opponents.
     
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    point being pedjr is vulnerable bec he is squared up against southpaws.

    if judah had half the power pac has, pedjr would have definitely ducked him.
     
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    big roger fan. how can you not like the guy?
     
  14. modernfonzie

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    And then proceeded to beat the **** out of Judah until he had to lowblow to even get a breath. You guys post vids of slips to show weakness? Just shows how good he is.
     
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    Well let me preface my post first by saying that i don't think he "ducked" any fighter in any division he fought at.

    Matches I wished happen:

    -128 catchweight against Naseem Hamed. I favor FLoyd by devastating KO.

    -I wish he campaigned at 130 longer (although he couldn't make weight anymore after around 10 title defenses at 130,) and fought guys like Pacman, Barrera, JMM and Morales. I think he would've beaten them all at 130, most of them probably getting knocked out.

    - 135 lbs- Casamayor and Freitas. I won't say either of those men ducked FLoyd, but he did call them out several times and it didn't look like they were too interested in fighting FLoyd. I'd still favor FLoyd to beat both men, a fight with him and a prime Casa would've been a helluva match.

    140 lbs- he also called out everyone and anyone at this weight division, including Kosta. I'll give Kosta the benefit of the doubt as he was a Showtime fighter and Mayweather was an HBO TR fighter. At 140 where FLoyd fought his briefest stint out of any division he fought in, he looked like a machine at that weight. I'd favor a late stoppage or wide UD for FLoyd.

    -140 Cotto- This is the division I thought Cotto was most dominant. He just wasn't ready yet to fight FLoyd at that time, confirmed by Arum himself who thought Cotto was too "green" for Mayweather.

    - 147- Manny, Paul Williams, Timmy bradley-- I don't think he avoided any of these guys because he was scared to fight them.

    The Manny fight is quite complex so I won't delve into the reason why that wasn't made as it seems from afar that both fighters put up certain barriers for that fight to get made.

    And while I think Paul WIlliams would've had a great shot to beat Floyd, Paul was still an unknown and I couldn't imagine him being in a PPV fight with any of the top stars back than. I guess it was too much of a high-risk/low-reward fight for the top tier guys (i.e. Pacman and FLoyd,) and WIlliams not being popular or having an established fanbase I think really hurt his chances to take on one of the superstars of the sport. I'd still favor FLoyd against Williams though, but narrowly around 60-40. Williams was a helluva high volume puncher, but his defense was average at best, he was technically flawed offensively with his punching and footwork and also susceptible to crisp counterpunching coming back at him.

    154- Erislandy lara. I'd favor FLoyd in that fight about 70-30. Lara's lack of offensive activity I think would hurt him in that matchup as well as FLoyd's quickness and handspeed.

    160- Sergio Martinez. He's really a JMW who just so happens to fight at MW, would probably be willing to agree to a catchweight of 155 lbs. Tough fight, at their primes I'd say it was 50-50 but at this juncture I'd slightly favor FLoyd, probably 60-40 or 65-35.
     
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