Mickey Walker vs Jack Sharkey, the best result in the history of gloved boxing?

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  1. PowerPuncher

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    So you're a firm believer in size over quality?

    And no Walker weighed what 168 didn't he? He was outweighted by what 20-30lbs. Lesser weight disparity than RJJ-Ruiz, which I wouldn't consider better than Leonard-Hagler. What about Haye/Chagaev-Valuev? 100lbs weight disparity and therefore the best win ever :lol:
     
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    I must say Walker looked really impressive in there he looked a real handful, good all round skills and totally fearless.
     
  4. The Long Count

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    Sharkey didn't perform well. He'd been off for over a year, since the fouling farce with Schmeling. Walker had been active and had already beaten some decent-sized heavyweights so it shouldn't have been such a shock.
    Can't see it as the best result ever.
     
  7. Stonehands89

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    I can't think of another one that beats it in the modern era.

    A Welterweight or Middleweight Champion fights the number-one rated Heavyweight in the world to a draw over 15 rounds that most ringsiders swore he won? That's beyond an anomaly.

    Walker was a welterweight who grew into a middleweight by the time he was 26. He didn't "grow" into anything more and sure as well was never a heavyweight in the true sense of the word. Sharkey was 6'0 tall -and trained down to 200 lbs. He was a good-sized man even by today's standards. Walker was 5'7 with his shoes on -no taller and with a reach no longer than Duran's. It wasn't like he was 5'10 and campaigning at middle when he was 18 and then "grew" into his frame. Walker was 30 years old when he fought Sharkey, who was probably at his peak.

    Again, what Walker did here is beyond an anomaly.

    It's beyond Duran-Leonard and Duran-Barkley. It's beyond Leonard-Hagler.
     
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  8. The Long Count

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    Any way you slice it, it's a remarkable feat and a reason why Mickey is considered a all time top 10 p4p
     
  9. Unforgiven

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    Where do Walker's wins against Johnny Risko rate in the gloved era ?
     
  10. The Long Count

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    Phenomenal accomplishments, risko was able to be beaten over the distance often and was not the champ, so these wins are overlooked as history marches on but still are incredible wins for the toy bulldog.
     
  11. janitor

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    How inconsistent was Sharkey though?

    He suffered a SD loss to Johny Risko in 1928, and over the next five years his only loss was the DQ loss against Max Schmeling. There does seem to be a period of his career where he was pretty consistent, and it was during this period that Walker fought him.

    You would certainly be justified in saying that he took Walker lightly of course.
     
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    Without checking boxrec, I think Sharkey's next fight was a good performance against Carnera, then a so-so one against Schmeling (gifted the title?) and then a KO loss to Carnera. Before Walker fight, the inconclusive first fight with Schmeling. Bit patchy, I'd say.
     
  14. janitor

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    To play devils advocate here:

    Schmeling was the best heavyweight of that era, with the arguable exception of Sharkey himself.

    It would be circular logic to use the argument that Carnera was a champion, because he won the title from Sharkey, but he would certainly have been a standout among the contenders of the period even if he had never held the title.

    Even Risko was briefly regarded as the best heavyweight in the world after Tunney retired.

    It is OK to loose against the very best of the era.
     
  15. PowerPuncher

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    He grew into a LHW, he was regularly weighing 168-175, not a big LHW but still a LHW.

    Langford is a good comparison, he wasn't much bigger than Walker, 155 against Johnson and around 170lbs for much of his best HW peak.