RIP micky duff

:good I'll have a look for the Jock Taylor interview.

 

I agree that Duff was corrupt in so far as all the big boxing promoters are corrupt. Professional boxing is a corrupt sport.

I'll defend Duff against the allegations made (by TBooze mainly on this site) that "the cartel" was ILLEGAL, because as far as I know it was found to be legal.
And the suggestion that Duff et al. were any worse a monopoly than the young promoter who came along in the 1980s and replaced them in the 1990s , I don't buy that either.

 

Wrong yet again.

The bottom line is YOU labelled thistle as being anti semitic with absolutely no proof or foundation.

I made a point of fact which is that Arum is Jewish. I also said that as far as I'm concerned he is a toerag, and a lying piece of ****.

If your warped brain wants to connect the two then that is your problem.

And that is precisely what you have done with Thistle.

As far as proving Duff was corrupt, there is no need. Boxing is corrupt, full stop, it would be naive at best, and incredibly stupid at worst to believe that he, as one of the power brokers of the sport in his day was above the inherent corruption of the sport.

 

I'm old fashioned ,I believe a man is innocent until proven guilty.
Who cares what you believe.

 

The cartel was never illegal and after 6 months of investigation by the BBBOC and a 6 hour hearing all those involved in it were totally exonerated .The Chairman of the committee went so far as to commend them for the excellent state of British Boxing at that time.

 

Jock Taylor never even won a South Eastern Area Title ,he won exactly half of his fights, how he can be described as a contender for the British LHVy title is a mystery to me.

 

Irony surely.

 

Duff barred the Kray twins from his Sporting Club Shows and received death threats in return.His wife got a dead rat in the post. I dont think she thought it was ironical.

I doubt anyone could have a more glowing endorsement of character than the one Duke McKenzie paid to Duff on Box Nation last night.

 

When did the highlighted stop M?

 

The statement that inviting senior police to shows was a deterrent to gangsters seems ironic, or naïve, or even clever sarcasm perhaps. Because if any fraternity is going to rub shoulders with the higher-ups in the criminal fraternity, it would be the police. A more cynical way of looking at it would be to say they are all in the same club. Or lodge even.

Let's be a bit realistic for a moment here. Duff might have banned the Krays from his shows, his wife might have been frightened by them. But that doesn't make him some anti-gangster campaigner.

I remember when he took the Lloyd Honeyghan fight to Marbella in 1987, raised a few eyebrows, when Marbella was known as the refuge and retirement place of London bank robbers, train robbers and other top London villains and 'faces'. The Costa del Crime.

I'm not saying Duff was one way or the other, but he wasn't turning away the criminal elite or refusing their money. Like anyone else in boxing at the time he was probably on speaking terms with plenty of villains.

 

No your not you lying hypocrite. You're just an arrogant *****. So you think you have the right to say Thistle is guilty of anti semitism, but he doesn't have the right to say Duff was corrupt, and by extension crooked.

Some piece of work you.

 

The colour ban on fighters contesting for British was lifted in 1947/48 the year I was born. Dick Turpin was the first man of colour to win one I beleive.

Peter Wilson the Boxing writer of the Miirror and James and Frank Butler to their credit were all very vociferous about how unjust it was.

I think it had lasted from around ,1902 -/48.

 

Is the underlined a Masonic reference?

How can you refuse a gangster's money at a public event?
Duff was on speaking terms with the Krays , they had both boxed for him on his shows. he said neither of them were any good but their older brother Charlie was a very good scrapper on the cobbles.

Duff was a personal friend of David Hopkin, the Director Of Public Prosecutions , later he became the chairman of the BBBOC to be succeeded by ex Police man Nipper Read it was Read who initiated the investigation that that led to their arrest.. Hopkin invited Duff to go and see the trial of the Kray twins which he did
It's a matter of record that Duff refused entry to gangsters at his private club shows.
Because Duff staged a fight between Honeyghan and Gene Hatcher in Marbella is tantamount to guilt by association?


Ali fought in Zaire and Manila,does that mean he shoud be tarred with the same brush as Mobutu and Marcos?

I never suggested that Duff was an anti gangster campaigner I just told the truth ,that he personally barred the Krays from his Sporting Club and received death threats for it.

He also barred Charlie and Eddie Richardson, and Mad Frankie Fraser. If he wasn't particular about where the money came from , why would he put his life in danger by doing that?

One of Duff's close friends was Jack Manning Head of the Murder Squad at Scotland Yard he took the threats seriously enough to put a guard on the Duff's flat, his son Gary at boarding school ,and have his wife Marie followed to work . When Ronnie Kray was arrested he had a death list in his pocket headed "These Men Must Die" .Duff's name was on it, so was Terry Downes's

 

I would agree with 90% of what you wrote here. But would point out the National Boxing Council (NBC) in the early 80s applied for WBA membership. The WBA had an obligation to accept them as the National Boxing Organization of the UK. The BBB of C thus choose to accept a number of its laws were indefensible in a Court of Law in the UK, and agreed to makes changes that could lead to them offering membership to FW. The NBC then folded as an organization.

These 'indefensible laws', were those used to create the 'Cartel' of Duff et al, supported the BBB of C. These laws in a Court of Law in the UK would of been shown to be illegal, so the conclusion can be made the 'Cartel' was illegal.

One source for this can be obtained in 'The Ultimate Encyclopedia of Boxing' (1996).

 

I can totally believe that. Any organization can investigate itself and find everything is perfect. Of course this excellent state of British boxing would a decade later lead to the BBB of C losing a court case to Michael Watson and but for Michael's class, going bankrupt.