Boxers today not fighting often enough.

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  1. lencoreastside

    lencoreastside Obsessed with Boxing banned Full Member

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    This crops up from time to time on other threads - now I think its due a thread of its own. Your thoughts please.
    (Apologies in advance if I am re-inventing the wheel here!)

    OK here goes:
    Fighters today are just part-time boxers IMO.
    2 main problems with this -
    1. Inactivity causes problems for the boxer himself
    2. Inactivity hurts the sport

    If I was a kid growing up today...lets say I turn on the telly and see someone like Galahad Quigg Frampton Macklin...whoever - a good exciting fighter. Im interested - I want to see more.
    But guess what? How often does Macklin fight? A couple of times a year! Thats the "modern" way.

    Kids have SHORT attention spans - and plenty of other distractions competing for what little attention they do have - if he does'nt see his new hero again soon - he forgets all about him and moves on to someting new.

    Another (potential) fan lost to boxing, maybe another boxer lost to boxing.
     
  2. Bulldog24

    Bulldog24 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Couldn't agree more. When I was a kid, I was watching Tyson coming through the ranks on Grandstand EVERY TWO WEEKS! Then Nigel Benn on Frank ******'s Seconds Out series sometimes Every Week!! Brutal KO after brutal KO after brutal KO, unmissable. Then Eubank defending his World Title with 12 rounds of hilarious family entertainment every, say, 7 weeks? Naz fighting every other month live on ITV, with leopard skin flashy trunks and a basin haircut on an Arab head, doing flips and landing punches from halfway across the ring.

    What happened :bart
     
  3. big_daddy

    big_daddy Boxing Addict Full Member

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    their health after retirement is why
     
  4. lencoreastside

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    Explain what you mean please...
     
  5. Robney

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    It's understandable that non punchers take longer time off between fights, but 3 months is more than enough for them I recon.
    For the big punchers out there who sometimes don't even break a sweat, it's complete bull to have a long time off between fights, and certainly the so called 'once a year fighters'.

    But of course the chance on losing a bout increases the more you fight. And that's what some fear the most.
     
  6. lencoreastside

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  7. big_daddy

    big_daddy Boxing Addict Full Member

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    listen to james toney speak and you'll see what i mean
     
  8. lencoreastside

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    I dont think you are getting my point.
    When I see great fighters of even the recent past ( for me the 80s and 90s are recent) it is sickening. Toney, Bowe, Pernell, Terry Norris, Marlon Starling , Ali etc etc.
    But was their condition caused in FIGHTS?
    I doubt is was somewhat because plenty of far less gifted fighters had a lot more FIGHTS than these guys.

    Time and again I hear people close to these guys blame heavy sparring. Gym wars. The accumulated attrition of countless blows taken in countless sparring session. Blah blah blah...

    Now if you are fighting more regularly - you dont need all that sparring.
    You are match-fit. You are sharp. You are probably safer and healthier. THATS my point.

    More fights - Less sparring.
     
  9. Ryan the Lion

    Ryan the Lion King of the Jungle Full Member

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    It's f*ck all to do with health, it's all about tv dates these days.
    For instance Mayweather only fights twice a year on Mexican holiday's to cash in on the fans, the same with Canelo.

    Ricky Hatton, Amir Khan, David Haye and now Carl Froch will only fight once or twice a year due to PPV dates.
     
  10. lencoreastside

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    This is definitely a huge factor in our present generation of
    "occasional" or "part-time" fighters.

    Boxing needs TV. TV is killing boxing. Bizarre problem. :yikes
    Any solutions?
     
  11. StGeorge

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    The problem is imo about losses, a loss now means alot more than a loss say 40 years ago in terms of marketability.... Fighters and their connections want them to be in peak physical condition each time they fight, something that fighting every month or two will not allow to happen.

    I guess it depends on the fighter and their style aswell, someone elusive who doesn't take alot of punishment is more likely to be able to recover in between fights more than a 'Gatti' type fighter... At least at the top level.
     
  12. Ryan the Lion

    Ryan the Lion King of the Jungle Full Member

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    More TV dates, Networks and Promoters compromising and working together??

    It wont happen though, to many people making money doing their own thing.
     
  13. StGeorge

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    Plus the more training camps a fighter has, the more rounds of sparring etc that will accumulate.. it all adds up. Whilst the OP made the point of lacking sharpness leads potentially to bigger beatings, the accumulative effect of year round is a far worse danger, except for a few obvious occasions where someone has taken serious damage in a fight... But out of those, how many of those fighters could be considered 'inactive'?
     
  14. supremo

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    Also physiological considerations. You can't hit your optimal "peak" performance more that 2-3 times per year. If it takes 8-12 weeks to get the body prepared to hit its peak in preparation then there are only 52 weeks in a year- that takes up 24-36 weeks of the year plus you need to recuperate physically and mentally for a week or two after a fight. It's a risky business going into a fight 80% prepared against a guy who is firing on all cylinders! unless there is a vast advantage in skill/experience.
     
  15. lencoreastside

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    I see that alright.
    But is that actually true though?
    I can see a lot more problems with niggling injuries not being given a chance to heal, hand trouble etc.

    Against that though the fighter out every 2 months is physically fitter and sharper.
    He is likely to be "on weight" too.
    He will need less sparring to get him sharp, cos he is already sharp.

    He will stay fresh in the public mind, retain fans interest, win new fans etc.
    So there is a lot in favour of it IMO.