Who did you perceive as being at a greater disadvantage for Hagler vs Leonard?

No, he dominated and outclassed him in every single round in a one-sided drubbing and the only reason it didn't end in a stoppage is because Hagler respected him.


I don't need any inside info on Hagler to know he wanted absolutely nothing to do with the likes of Qawi and Hagler (both of whom expressed an interest in fighting him.) If he did, he'd have made the point of mentioning them among the numerous welterweights and junior middleweights he used to call out on a regular basis.


"Is it that unthinkable these days that a fighter would commit the terrible sin of staying at the weight they feel comfortable at?"


Is this the same guy who posted this on the exact same page of this thread? :huh

 

I never said Hagler thoroughly outclassed Duran. But to say he was tremendously troubled by him is a bit of a stretch.

And the difference there is that Hagler never expressed interest in fighting Qawi. Leonard, as early as Haglers first few title defenses often would say how he wanted to fight Hagler, and how he thought Hagler deserved the big paycheck that he would receive from a fight with Ray

'he'd have made the point of mentioning them among the numerous welterweights and junior middleweights he used to call out on a regular basis' - Whats that now...the third time you have said this exact same thing? :huh

Hearns and Leonard spoke of going up in weight and fighting Hagler, hence
why Hagler then called them out.

 

No, it's an accurate observation cosigned by most impartial viewers, including Hagler's trainers himself following that fight. You're just about the only person I've come across who's attempting to argue that Hagler had no problems with Duran.


Hagler never expressed an interest for obvious reasons; when he was asked about Spinks, he stated Spinks would have to come down fifteen pounds in weight, not even being open to the idea of meeting in the middle. He was calling out the likes of Leonard and Hearns when they were set to unify the division......two weight classes below his.


I can see why it'd be difficult for you to accept that your idol may not have been the baddest badass of all badasses like you previously thought.

 

I said Hagler had no problems with Duran? where?

Hearns and Leonard were two of the biggest draws in boxing at the time. Do you believe a fight with Spinks would have generated as much money as a fight with either of those two?

 

atsch

 

I think you are throwing me in with some of the Leonard haters, which is not the case at all. Fighting Hagler at all (diminished or not) as well as Hearns and Duran shows that Leonard is far from a coward.

But the point remains that Leonard was talking about fighting Hagler for those 5 years. This is not something I am pulling out of the air in order to argue my point for Hagler. This is something that I have SEEN and HEARD when watching career sets of both fighters.

The great book 'The Four Kings' also mentions multiple times when Leonard would plan a media event where he was going to make a big announcement, he would send a personal invite to Hagler and the Petronellis that would make it seem like he was finally going to go ahead with the fight, and then he would just announce his retirement.

 

So you are at least willing to acknowledge some sort of struggle then? How noble of you.


Whether it would have generated as much money as those fights is irrelevant (he'd have made a hell of a lot more than he was used to making.) It doesn't talk a genius to figure out why he was so eager for those fights and not one that would involve him stepping out of his comfort zone. You just seem unwilling to accept reality.

 

Of course he struggled somewhat. Duran was his only successful defense to go the distance.

And stop with the holier than thou attitude.

I made the point I believe to be true in my previous post. They spoke about wanting to fight him, and so he called them out. It's pretty clear that I'm not gonna convince you to see it the same way and vice versa. So lets just leave it at that

 

speaking of size, did not that same lightweight jump two divisions to whip your boy? DUH!

:rofl

not too bright are you?

 

arent you the same person that said Duran was in danger of being knocked out in figt two with Leonard?

Roberto took more shots from Ray in the first fight. Why would he be knocked out the secon time when there is no evidence of being hurt?

why did you say things like that and do you ever think things through before you respond?

or do u just talk thru your ass all the time?

btw, Hagler brought down guys much bigger than himself all the time. Ray was actually bigger than Hagler but didnt have the balls to face Marv during his prime

or Nunn for that matter. Instead he chose the safer route and opted for mediocrities every few months. Didnt u say his eye ended his career?

 

yeah u do. u do it all the time, usually out of derision & contempt

or maybe it's to skirt your man's own shortcomings which are considerable

btw, hearns completely outboxed Benitez and Benitez outboxed Duran and guess what? Hagler KO 3 Hearns :smoke

next time u want to makea strong argument against Hagler's competency as a fighter, dont bring up the names of any ex welters from the Leonard era

 

it wouldve been better if Ray who had invited Hagler to Baltimore five years earlier, had signed to fight him. you know, back when Hagler HAD reflexes?

why do Leonard fans like to complicate these things?