The "All Things Mayweather/Pacquiao" Express!!!!!!

nicamarvin · Mar 25, 2014

demigawd said: ↑

I double-checked the Ring P4P list. Floyd, Ward and Bradley as #1-3 are pretty rock solid. You can't really debate those three much. If you subscribe to the philosophy that the P4P list should be a rolling list that takes a snapshot of the last two years, I can understand an argument having Bradley even higher. Whether you agree with the decisions or not, beating two P4P'ers in three fights is probably the best accomplishment over the last two years of any boxer on this list.

I can also see Rigo being ranked as high as #4 just based on his comprehensive defeat of Donaire. It's probably the single best performance of all the fighters on this list. But I also won't object to people wanting to see him against a wider variety of top fighters first.

I can see Marquez as high as #4 and as low as #6, which is sandwiched between Bradley and Pacquiao. I am not against Wlad being in that general mix as well because he's been so dominant, even if his competition isn't that great. I think you can make the P4P list by either having a spectacular win (Rigondeaux) or having a string of absolute dominant wins (Wlad).

Sergio I'm torn over. He did not look like a P4P fighter in his last fight, and I think the only reason he remained on the list is because of his nice reserve of solid wins prior to that. But if you're of the "rolling two year" philosophy, he has the biggest case against him remaining on the P4P list. This goes beyond Murray - for the past few fights Sergio has looked very vulnerable and won on sheer grit.

I would put Pacquiao ahead of Sergio. Scoring aside, he looked dominant against Bradley, and he was performing well against Marquez. Sure he lost them both, but they're higher caliber fighters than, say, Murray or Chavez.

Rigo is an interesting case. Going by pure eye test and his performance against Donaire, he LOOKS every bit as skilled as Mayweather and Ward, and based on the eye test, should be ranked as high as #4. But I can understand Ring's #8 ranking, to account for the possibility that he just benefited from a favourable stylistic match-up and an under-prepared Donaire.

Alvarez was understandably wiped out by Mayweather, which was supposed to happen. But I question why he's on the P4P list at all. His best win was Trout, who was never on the P4P list himself. And Froch's performance against Groves also raises serious question marks. I'd actually put Garcia higher than either. Garcia's last opponent is better than Groves.

I'd put Pacquiao anywhere between 6-8, but DEFINITELY still in the top 10.
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Blah, Blah blah, ALL you have accomplished is to make us aware that You Dont Know **** bout Boxing... :nono

GeoffJ · Mar 25, 2014

demigawd said: ↑

Whether you agree with the decisions or not, beating two P4P'ers in three fights is probably the best accomplishment over the last two years of any boxer on this list.
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That makes a difference actually. I don't feel to compelled to acknowledge the outcome of questionable decision. Besides that going life and death with Provodnikov wasn't exactly P4P stuff. Someone will say, but he came to the brink of disaster and overcame. Yeah don't forget the first part of that equation.

demigawd · Mar 25, 2014

GeoffJ said: ↑

That makes a difference actually. I don't feel to compelled to acknowledge the outcome of questionable decision. Besides that going life and death with Provodnikov wasn't exactly P4P stuff. Someone will say, but he came to the brink of disaster and overcame. Yeah don't forget the first part of that equation.
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Bradley handed Marquez his most clear cut defeat outside of Mayweather. That's definitely P4P stuff.

stormy · Mar 25, 2014

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who ran from drug testing again, after demanding floyd accepts an unprecedented 10 million dollar per pound weight penalty?
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there was proof that Floyd was a weight cheater when he defrauded JMM on the scales. He could of made the weight but chose to do as he pleased and pay a few extra bucks for the sin. 10 million reasons why he wont try that particular stunt againhey:yep:smooch:tong

Lady Girl · Mar 25, 2014

Hes one of the best and also one of the most exciting

demigawd · Mar 25, 2014

GeoffJ said: ↑

That makes a difference actually. I don't feel to compelled to acknowledge the outcome of questionable decision. Besides that going life and death with Provodnikov wasn't exactly P4P stuff. Someone will say, but he came to the brink of disaster and overcame. Yeah don't forget the first part of that equation.
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And you're correct - you're not compelled to acknowledge the outcome of questionable decisions, or any decisions for that matter. I know people who maintain "shadow records" of all of the boxers they follow, with only the outcomes they scored. Based on that, they had their own list of titleholders and P4P rankings. I think Castillo was P4P1 for awhile after he beat Floyd, and De la Hoya returned to P4P #1 immediately after he beat Floyd, which was his best win since beating Trinidad by a wide 12 round decision.

Hey, whatever works.

nicamarvin · Mar 25, 2014

Lady Girl said: ↑

Hes one of the best and also one of the most exciting
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You Clearly Dont Know **** about Boxing Lady... :nono

Bub · Mar 25, 2014

I have him in my list...

1. Floyd Mayweather
2. Guillermo Rigondeaux
3. Timothy Bradley
4. Andre Ward
5. Sergio Martinez
6. Juan Manuel Marquez
7. Manny Pacquiao
8. Wladimir Klitschko
9. Danny Garcia
10. Gennady Golovkin

FlashKO · Mar 25, 2014

Canelo was 153.5 for the Trout fight. He hadn't weighed 152 since March 5th, 2011, two and a half years prior to the Mayweather bout. Canelo was just 20 years old at that time, and badly missed his 150 lb catch weight for the Matthew Hatton fight.

nicamarvin · Mar 25, 2014

Bub said: ↑

I have him in my list...

1. Floyd Mayweather
2. Guillermo Rigondeaux
3. Timothy Bradley
4. Andre Ward
5. Sergio Martinez
6. Juan Manuel Marquez
7. Manny Pacquiao
8. Wladimir Klitschko
9. Danny Garcia
10. Gennady Golovkin
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you Clearly dont know **** about BOXING... :nono

Bub · Mar 25, 2014

nicamarvin said: ↑

you Clearly dont know **** about BOXING... :nono
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I think what you meant to say was KO6 or something.

PIPO23 · Mar 25, 2014

Pure hating he lost to Marquez. Juan El Dinamita Marquez from el cuidad de Mehiko Campeon Mundo.

Give me a break apart from losing to Marquez twice and Morales.Pacquiao has been one of the best in the bizwax for years.

Losing to legends doesn't make you a bum overnight. He has waxed tough boxers time and time again.

But legends from Mehiko is another proposition indeed. I'd say he is fairly ranked at 7th or 8th.

nicamarvin · Mar 25, 2014

Bub said: ↑

I think what you meant to say was KO6 or something.
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oh Sorry,

K.O6, So Deal With It... :bart

JohnnyDrama99 · Mar 25, 2014

I think he's done enough to round out the top ten. He lost to one other P4P fighter (Legitimately) so there's no problem ranking him in the top 10.

daprofessor · Mar 25, 2014

i stopped listening after he mentioned the 'sad state of boxing..'

who the hell is this guy? why should i listen to him?

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