Who did you perceive as being at a greater disadvantage for Hagler vs Leonard?

then why are u saying Hagler was confused thruout the fight?

can u make up your mind?

that's the problem with twats like u, u say one thing one moment then change your mind the next

 

that's the real reason the fight didnt come off; there was no demand for Hagler-Spinks

all the talk in the press was hagler-Ray leonard

Leonard didnt want it to happen which is why he liked to talk big but couldnt back it up with action until a full five years later, as he watched the accumulation of tough fights take their toll on Hagler's speed N reflexes

can u BELIEVE IT? FIVE YEARS before he came out. he practically came running after Hagler whereas before, he couldnt look Hagler's way

stupd twerp punk! he never wanted Hagler and set his own attny mike Trainer to put unending obstacles to keep Hagler out. you kno, to save face as if to fool the public that they were serious about an offer just like the "offer" Ray put out to Aaron Pryor "here Aaron, here's your 500 k to my ten mil if u want to fight me"

"Tommy, u can have a rematch if u admit u couldnt continue your first fight with me"

"marvin, take my word for it. Come down to Baltimore in two weeks for my announcement. It would be to your benefit to be there"

nothing this man says can be believed becuz he's a punk and a lowlife. even the press knew thru out the 1980s about his ducking which is why leonard still doesnt get the respect as a fighter

 

it was a mandatory fight and Hags wanted his title intact before his even BIGGER fight w Hearns

btw, Tommy stands 6-1 to hagler's 5-8

sounds like a fair fight to me

 

the sad thing is, those people were right unlike u who actually told me that Leonard fought his old olympic buddy Howard Davis Jr in 1984

now THATS ridiculous. bt then, leonard fans have a hard time accepting the truth about their idol and frequently fabricate things about his opponents (Howard was the GATEKEEPER of the jr middleweights)

and along with their many fabrications include white lies. and their favorite white lie of them all?

"Hagler was just a BIT past it when they fought"

 

alleged drug abuse? hardly convincing

marital problems? we all have marital problems and guess what? we all still make it to work!

if his retine was a problem that could lead to blindness, what was he doing having all those other fights once he was cleared?

all the way to age 40 no less when Hector Camacho so gloriously knocked Ray stiff

how can he be a gatekeeper opponent when he wasnt ranked top ten?

these ae the white lies I was talking about. Check Howard's record as a superwelter. he has no record o keeping anyone out of the top ten, much less away from a title shot

you'd think he was Bennie Briscoe the way u talk about him but the truth is, Kevin couldnt break into the top ten himself

people like u are all hype but no truth. the moment your words are put under scrutiny, your whole case falls apart like a cheap deck of cards

 

I agree. Most people don't think so logically.

I'm a Hagler fan. I also think Hagler deserved the decision. But Leonard performed far better relatively and was at much greater disadvantages.

 

^^^^^^^^

Even the dunce I was responding to couldn't comprehend this level of stupidity.

This dribbling spastic attempting to make a comparison between the Duran of 1980 and 1983. atsch

Why are you attributing quotes to me that I never made, Elton? Are you really desperate for scoring points?


And why are you ducking my point about Hagler wanting to fight a guy who'd never fought at his weight, and who was coming off of a comprehensive schooling to a guy whom you've frequently derided as being an overrated, heartless plodder?


The bolded is truly the apex of your stupidity. Those who refer to you a troll are giving you far too much credit.

Irony is evidently a term lost on this dunce.


It doesn't take much to make much of an argument against Hagler. All you need to do is highlight the lack of real depth and quality of his era, and that's without even referencing the Duran and Leonard fights. Never has another fighter been so keen on clearing out divisions below him.

 

but u mentioned this imaginary gatekeeper more than once by the same name. thats two distinct errors on your part. Why should I take u seriously?

 

what's wrong with the 83 version who took apart Moore & Cuevas compared to a 40 pounds bloated lightweight of November 1980?

at least he didnt have to take off 40 pounds for Hagler with the aid of diuretics

u lose again - DUMMY

that's what yrs of recreational drug use does to people

 

like everythng else, you're denying it after I point out the error of your ways. "No, I NEVER said that!" says the oaf who was caught saying it

I even brought it up to u two months ago, and u couldnt respond then either

scoring points has never been easier when u have a punching bag named goyourownway

 

when u look at the depth and quality of Leonard's opposition, it makes u wonder how he lost by such a wide margin to Norris, a man he was fully expected to whup

so should not your argument about Hagler's "suspect" opposition not have stronger application to Leonard?

I distinctly remember calls for Hagler- Hearns, not Hagler-Spinks after Tommy laid out Duran in two

and that match was made

and Hagler flattened him in short order

why would anyone listen your absurd accusation after that?


Was Tommy not taller, youger, faster, stronger, slicker, and closer to his peak than Roberto?



u cant find one damn lie to bring up can u?

does it bother u that I bring up the name of Norris and how he thrashed Leonard in a legitimate fight?

what makes it worse is that I never have to concoct imaginative lies the way u do ie; "Ray was a one eyed coke addict"

this is what years of recreational drug use does to your brain cells :rofl

 

Dunce? Because I have a different opinion to you? Blow a dick mother****er

 

goyourownway is not only a dunce but an offensive dunce. he is very poorly trained in the art of debate and has very little education as youve no doubt noticed by now

belittling others is his way of venting frustration when others point out the holes in his argument then when backed into a corner, says "oh no, I never said that!"

He frequently makes ******ed statements without even realizng it and is the same person who said Duran quit becuz he thought he was in serious danger of being knocked out in the second leonard fight

and keeps asking me to explain why Hagler wasnt interested in a budding light heavyweight champ with 22 fights