Who's higher P4P right now: Ward or Bradley?

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  1. ValentinePrince

    ValentinePrince Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Some say Mayweather and Ward are unquestionable at #1 and #2 but Ward has never beaten a P4P ranked boxer. He's decisively won all his fights but has only fought twice over the previous 2 years, and neither Dawson nor Rodriquez can compete with wins over Provodnikov and Marquez.

    If recent fights are the most determinative factor in rankings Bradley should be above Ward.
     
  2. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    Close to dead even at 2 and 3.

    I'm honestly surprised a bit more people don't hold the opinion that Bradley > Ward on the P4P list at the moment.
     
  3. SweetSciGuru

    SweetSciGuru Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Really.
    Bradley is a level down beneath Ward in the area of boxing skills.
    H2H, Ward beats Bradley's ass and has him calling on Jesus for help
     
  4. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    I can agree with this...

    But Bradley's resume is crisp...
     
  5. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    On my scorecard, Bradley lost his last three fights. Two razor thin gift decisions and one blow out. Ward isn't fighting the same quality of opposition but he's dominating the guys he does fight. Plus, the wins over Kessler, Froch, and Abraham in the Super Six were better than anything Bradley has accomplished. I think Bradley deserves to be just slightly out of the top ten p4p right now.

    1.Floyd Mayweather
    2.Andre Ward
    3.Guillermo Rigondeaux
    4.Manny Pacquiao
    5.Juan Manuel Marquez
    6.Sergio Martinez
    7.Nonito Donaire
    8.Wladimir Klitschko
    9.Carl Froch
    10.Saul Alvarez
    11.Danny Garcia
    12.Gennady Golovkin
    13.Tim Bradley
    14.Adrien Broner
    15.Bernard Hopkins
     
  6. frosty36

    frosty36 Active Member Full Member

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    You had him losing to Marquez? :think
     
  7. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    If you think that Bradley lost either of his fights with Provodnikov or Marquez, let alone both, than I and hopefully most everyone else really doesn't care about your opinion.

    Bradley has amazing depth to his resume beyond the last 3 fights anyway. Can't dismiss that; it's not far behind Ward's whole resume, Bradley's last three fights notwithstanding and it gets even more debatable depending on how you scored the fights...

    I do agree, however, that winning by 1 point against Provodnikov in his WW debut is not something that exactly bolsters a top-o-the-list P4P case.
     
  8. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    Here's my card for Bradley vs Provo

    R1 10-9 P Bradley's round before the uncalled knockdown.
    R2 10-8 P Bradley getting knocked around but doesn't go down.
    R3 10-9 B Little action Bradley outjabs.
    R4 10-9 B Bradley moving and jabbing, getting the worst of it when he stops.
    R5 10-9 B Bradley scoring but not hurting.
    R6 10-9 P P rocked Bradley then rocked him again at the end.
    R7 10-9 B Bradley moving and popping the jab.
    R8 10-9 B Bradley running
    R9 10-9 B Close but I give it to Bradley. P looks like a mess.
    R10 10-9 B More of the same.
    R11 10-9 P Landing the Harder shots.
    R12 10-8 P Knocks down Bradley.

    p7 b7

    And here's my card for Bradley vs Marquez

    JJM vs Bradley
    R1 Draw. Looked like an even exchange.
    R2 Bradley. Not a lot between them. Bradley busier + good flurry at the bell.
    R3 JMM. Not much to separate the two. Lots of dodging, blocking, and countering.
    R4 Jmm. Landing more and harder punches.
    R5 Bradley. Slight edge to Bradley. More pressure.
    R6 Bradley. Slightly busier more aggressive. Still not much landing for either.
    R7 Bradley. Marquez just didn't do anything.
    R8 Bradley. Getting ****y. Throwing a little more. Not a lot of damage, but Marquez being sluggish and inactive.
    R9 JMM. Finally moving forward throwing punches.
    R10 JMM. Doing a little more. Not much more than Bradley. Could go either way.
    R11 JMM Letting his hands go. Bradley Coasting.
    R12 JMM. Bradley on his bicycle.

    B5 M6 D1

    I figure people gave Bradley the benefit of the doubt in the Marquez fight because he was younger and faster. They also might have been misconstruing Marquez' counter punching style as inactivity and scoring for Bradley based on aggression. If I gave the first round to Bradley it's still just a draw.
     
  9. boxing_master

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  10. damian38

    damian38 BigDramaShow Full Member

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    when did Floyd retire? :huh
     
  11. boxing_master

    boxing_master Loyal Member banned

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    duckweather never held the number 1 spot it was pacquaio and when brad "beat" him he took the number 1 spot:deal
     
  12. make_the_weight

    make_the_weight Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Sheeeeeeet! First round to Bradley? Looool

    Last round to JMM? What when he nearly got out down? Flipping heck!
     
  13. Bald_Toad

    Bald_Toad Ring Title Full Member

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    bradley is higher . better wins and champion in two divisions.
     
  14. FloatingGhost

    FloatingGhost Some guy Full Member

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    I don't see how ward can be ahead of bradley. Just look at the resumes over past 3 years. Or entire careers for that matter. Whoever wins tim vs PAC should be no. 2 without question.