Who had the more impressive middleweight title reign - Monzon or Hagler?

I think in terms of title fights, Monzon's got the better ledger. Obviously it shouldn't be forgotten that Hagler had a much tougher route with trickier opposition to the title than Carlos did, though.

In most cases when you look at their reigns, it's only small margins - but the small margins always seem to favour Monzon. Benvenuti, who Monzon beat to take the title, was a better Middleweight champion than Minter, who Hagler trounced to become the top man at 160. Monzon made 14 successful defences, Hagler 12. Monzon retired as champion, whereas Hagler let the title slip away from him in the ring. Monzon generally toyed with and outclassed his naturally smaller opponents / men moving up in weight (Napoles, Griffith) whereas Hagler struggled against them at times (Duran, Leonard).

Difficult to say how special a Middleweight Hearns may have been, as he spent his peak years at 147 and 154. There's a distinct possibility that his better form at the lower weights really just coincides with him spending his absolute physical peak there, but the fact is that there isn't a consistent, tried 'n' tested, fully-fledged Middleweight on Hagler's record to match the name of Valdes on Monzon's, as well.

There's no argument, in my opinion. Monzon just has all the edges and always ranks above Hagler for me, great though Marvin was.

 

Two extra defences.

Defeated more proven middleweights in Benvenuti, Griffith and Valdez.

Defeated a superior version of Briscoe.

Gave up the title, didn't lose it.

The argument between Monzon and Hagler has always been a case of close but clear from this corner.

 

For me, Monzon.

 

For me Hagler, he was more dominant over his opposition, and in my opinion beat better fighters, in 1983 Hagler was voted best p4p in the World..
Hopkins may have had a more impressive run than both of them Hopkins held the title from 95 to 05, Hagler and Monzon only held the title for 7 years, when you really think about 10 years is a very long time to hold on to a title:deal

 

In 2014 yes...but if you were to remake it come 2024, with him already being enshrined in Canastota for a few years...

 

Very true, in 30 years Hopkins will most likely have a stronger legacy than Monzon, And Hagler because he reigned for 10 years, and still was fighting competitively at 50 years old, an amazing feat in itself :deal

 

Bhop is not even on the same universe as Monzon and MMH. He dominated in an extremely weak era and only has longavity which I think should be severely discounted given his comp. we are. It talking about what Bhop has done since he got beat by Taylor twice and moved up

I understand the argument for Monzon but I give the edge to MMH he got robbed at the tail ends of his title reigns. He beat antuofermo and it was ruled a draw which would have added a year or two to the length of his career. And as a HUGE SRL fan it took me years to admit that Haglar deserved the nod in their fight. Yes, he struggled against Duran, but it was Duran. If he didn't get so pissed at being screwed by the judges against SRL he would have probably fought another couple of years and left belt in hand.

 

Very little in it. Monzon may edge Hagler a little in quality. Both two of the all time greatest.

 

I initially voted Hagler but after reading some of the arguments I'm not entirely sure anymore.

 

Know what you mean. It's so close,is n't it ?

 

It's Close, But i think i would lean towards Marvin, Carlos did go over old ground with rematches a bit more, with Benvenuti Griffith Bouttier and Valdez, probably only two of those were required, Marvin had a pointless Obell rematch and Hamsho, so Perhaps Advantage Marvin, I tend to think that Marvin, in the main Briscoe & Valdez aside, had the more "Friskier" Challengers, Carlos had a Blown-up Welter in Napoles, a well Maneuvered Licata, a controversially timed stoppage against Denny Moyer ( Headlined in ring mag as Roman Scandel ) and The Ever-Flaky Gretian Tonna trying to win an Oscar if not the Title belt whilst Thespianing on the canvas...

I think generally i prefer the Honest and potentially dangerous capabilities of Sibson Mugabi and Roldan, The tough Hamsho and scypion ....The crafty Duran and of course there was Thomas Hearns...

Carlos did have that Slow-Burn attitude, especially over 15 rounds, to reeling opponents in, so perhaps may have conspired to make their early efforts look more noteworthy, wereas i Suspect Marvin would have tested their mettle much earlier in the fight.... yes i think i have to side with Marvin on this.

 

Hagler by a hair. Their both of their defenses are really weak though. Haglers were better though. The Duran, Mugabi, and Hearns he fought were better than the faded Griffith, Benvenuti, and Valdez that Monzon fought. After that both of their title defenses fall of dramatically in terms of talent and ability. That being said Id still pick Hagler's defenses to beat Monzon's.