HBO screwed over Kovalev and the fight with Stevenson

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  1. Big

    Big Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Stevenson is a downright dirty ducker
     
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  2. Matt in a hat

    Matt in a hat Well-Known Member Full Member

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    It's not just because they are big punchers. Fighters from that region don't have the same market in the US.
    Kovalev is crossing over better than anyone else with his comments on HBO about Stevenson though.
     
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  3. HellSpawn86

    HellSpawn86 "My heart goes out to you!" Full Member

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    I think this comment is just as ridiculous as the comments about Stevenson leaving HBO to avoid Kovalev. If anything it shows HBO is under-paying both of the athletes.

    I'm not a fan of either fighter in particular. I think it would be an exciting match, but I can't blame Stevenson for going for the bigger pay days. Neither you or I would have to take the punches. If Stevenson gets knocked out is anyone on here gonna pay for his medical bills? No! If anything all the Kovalev fans would make gifs of Stevenson getting knocked out.

    I also brought these articles to light because the Kovalev bandwagon is also a bit too much and I'm hoping to bring in some balance by presenting information that wasn't revealed on this website.

    Seriously look at this:
    http://ringtv.craveonline.com/news/329377-adonis-stevenson-4

    "I am going to make more money fighting Fonfara than HBO was going to give me to fight Kovalev," said Stevenson during a Sunday telephone call to RingTV.com. "That makes no sense that I can make more money fighting Fonfara than I was going to make fighting Kovalev in a unification fight."

    "Ask HBO, 'Can they show me the money?' That's the problem with the Kovalev fight," said Stevenson. "It's about the money. Don't you think that it's a pay-per-view fight between me and Kovalev? I think they need to pay for that."

    Stevenson will be making a career high pay day and 2x his career high pay day against Bellow.

    Stevenson "will make the highest purse of his career with Fonfara, by far…against Fonfara, he's going to make more than twice than what he made for his last fight," said Michel. "His highest paid fight [on HBO] was against [Tony] Bellew. He is going to generate more than twice of that…Adonis' purse will be twice as big as his purse was against Bellew."

    Too me it's just crazy that fans want fighters to fight dangerous fights for peanuts. If anything we as fans should be outraged with HBO and calling and emailing them to pay Adonis and Kovalev career high pay days in order to fight each other. The way things are going HBO is gonna tank with boxing and I would suggest Kovalev switch over to Showtime as well.
     
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  4. buckdacious

    buckdacious Sin~City punks!!! Full Member

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  5. BlizzyBlizz

    BlizzyBlizz Loyal Member Full Member

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    HBO wants its family channel back. The product that they have now a far as boxers go is trash. They have some skill, but we don't know how good they truly are. They fight trash comp, and get glory beating these bums. **** HBO.
     
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  6. lester proctor

    lester proctor Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Dude you're a clueless. Most fighters are beating up each other for sub 10k, and here you are crying that HBO wouldn't pay 1.75m for a **** fight like Fonfara. They tried that, remember Berto getting 1m for Hernandez. That doesn't work, and busts the budget.
     
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  7. Stylez G.

    Stylez G. Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don't think the main problem lies within how much HBO offered for the Fonfara fight. The main problem is that accoding to Stevenson, Showtime offered him more money for the Fonfara fight than HBO did for the Kovalev fight. Supposedly, the licensing fee HBO offered for a Stevenson/Kovalev fight was much lower than the one they paid for the Ward/Rodriguez fight. That raises all sorts of questions.
     
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  8. HellSpawn86

    HellSpawn86 "My heart goes out to you!" Full Member

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    I doubt you know HBO's budget. The way things are going for HBO they will be dwindling with stars, especially if they couldn't match what Showtime had to offer.

    Yes I am quite aware of most boxers fighting for 10K or less. I have had several amateur fights (for free!) and still train at the gym with pros. I know most pros have gotten screwed over the years and their bodies broken down through first hand experience. Most have to work low wage jobs on the side to support their families. 10k is not enough to support a family. Most boxers can only box for so long, and usually end up washed up and dry after their careers because they don't know how to do anything else. Fortunately for me I have a masters so I will not get myself in that rat race.

    So whenever I hear of a boxer making over to stardom I say take it for what it's worth. When I hear fans whine and complain about ducking, I know it's been the fans fault for not trying to pressure organizations like HBO and Showtime to pay fighters better or give them benefits.

    1mil really isn't that much when fighter has to pay about half of it to taxes, large percentages to their management, trainers, and promoters. That 1mil comes out more like 300K, which isn't going to sustain you over a lifetime when you retire at age 40 (if you are lucky) from boxing when all the rest of your pay checks have been more like 10K.
     
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  9. lester proctor

    lester proctor Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Like which ones? Please, he wasnt trying to renego Kovalev, he wanted a big raise for this tuneup no strings attached. 3m is a lot of money for these 2. Yes they overpaid for Ward Rod, you earn that by getting to #2p4p. Stev Kov budget was still much higher than Ward Dawson. Dawson got 600k for that fight. I doubt Kovalev has ever gotten near 500k but you dont see him crying about being underpaid
     
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  10. Stylez G.

    Stylez G. Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    A closed mouth doesn't get fed. Stevenson didn't like the offer for the Kovalev fight and is now allegedly getting more money to fight Fonfara. If Kovalev is happy with the purses he's receiving, that's on him. That doesn't mean that everyone else should just accept whatever they are offered. If Stevenson/Kovalev is such a big fight, then how is it that it garners a smaller licensing fee than a Ward tuneup fight? How is it that Stevenson is supposedly able to get more money from Showtime for a fight with much less significance?

    I don't like that the Stevenson/Kovalev fight isn't happening. However, it's hard to put all the blame on Stevenson when the numbers aren't adding up here.
     
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  11. BlizzyBlizz

    BlizzyBlizz Loyal Member Full Member

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    You don't know wtf you're talking about Mr Google.
     
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  12. lester proctor

    lester proctor Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Still using the Berto precedent I see. Maybe Stevenson should sit out cause Sho is paying Floyd 32m for no hoper Guerrero. Extremely unfair

    I dont know how Haymon got Sho to budget 2m+ for a fight that 1 year ago would cost 20k on Fnf but I doubt its a lasting arrangement. Hopkins is probably the last payday Stevenson gets win or lose, Showtime has a glut of well paid stars that are currently benched because of them overpaying for this tuneup and such
     
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  13. lester proctor

    lester proctor Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Sure thing pitiful alt
     
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  14. cslb

    cslb Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Great post. These fighters have a short window to make enough money to live on for the rest of their lives. I don't fault any athlete for taking the route that offers the most money.
     
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  15. Stylez G.

    Stylez G. Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Mayweather was paid $32MM for a PPV. That's not a good comparison at all due to the fact the PPV generated enough money to cover Showtime's expenses and allowed them to turn a profit(let's not even mention the fact that having him affiliated with the network helps their ratings out with other fights he's not even involved in). For HBO and Showtime's subscription service, they make money off of people subscribing to the network. You get people to subcribe to the network by putting on quality programming. You can judge the quality of a program(meaning its appeal to the fans) via ratings. Ratings go a long way to determining a progam's worth. Stevenson and Kovalev have both proven to be able to put up similar ratings to that of Ward. Therefore, it's completely reasonable for someone to question why a fight between Stevenson and Kovalev garners a much lower licensing fee than a Ward/Rodriguez fight. Mayweather can shadowbox on PPV if he wants. If the PPV generates $60MM in revenue for Showtime and they pay him $32MM, then it's totally worth it.


    Actually, Espinoza came out and said that they have long term plans for the LHW division. Regardless, what would be the rationale for Stevenson accepting less money from HBO on a two fight deal? It would make no sense for him to that. That's it needs to be questioned how exactly Showtime was able to come up with a much more lucrative deal.
     
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