great posts by mongoose and thread stealer. they really know their stuff: all the above fighters were hall of famers that were beaten within 5 years of their prime. truly amazing what charles and robinson were able to do.
i would say srr is number 1 and ezzard is certainly up there but i dont think hes on srr's level ( no one is) so its not really a big deal. Ezzard is certainly in the top 15 all time p4p. but on srr level? i dont think so but once again nothing to be ashamed of
This is a interesting post question! Robinson, Charles, Armstrong, and Greb all would be candidates for the #1 placement.
With his wins over Moore and Burley, Charles is the only fighter imho who can boast multiple wins over two fighters in the all time top 10-15.
Logically, from your statement alone, I can deduce that Rocky Marciano can boast the same. EDIT : I'm wrong, Marciano only has a single win over Moore. :good
When were they beaten man. You gotta look at that. Don't be so fickle . The wins in the OP were against fighters that were within 5 years of their prime. It's truly, truly amazing. I am in awe. We won't see that kind of resume again. Mayweather has 9 wins over hall of famers, only 4 of which were in and around their prime.
I think so along with greb, ezzard has a very underrated resume, and as stated has multiple wins over multiple ATGs
I'd have to make Greb's record better than Charles' personally, though Ezzard's resume is still phenomenal. Greb basically had that same level of dominance at his best, most natural weight as Robinson had at his (Middleweight and Welterweight respectively, of course) but there's a sound argument to be made that Greb's superior record in facing men bigger than him actually puts him ahead of Ray. Remember, as well as clearing out the Middleweights, Greb was often beating outstanding Light-Heavyweights without even bothering to make up the weight differential - he weighed only 162 lb when he trounced Tunney first time out (Tunney was 174, and four / five inches taller of course, too). He gave away 9 lb in their second fight, and although he lost a decision there, most observers felt he'd been ripped off in doing so. He also dominated Loughran in their head to head, albeit Tommy was still only a young pup at that stage. Between 1919 and 1922 Greb fought Dillon, McTigue, Levinsky, Miske, Tunney, Tommy Gibbons, Shade, Loughran, Brennan, Jeff Smith, Norfolk and plenty of others, only losing once to Gibbons, a loss he avenged in style. You could argue that he'd already slid slightly past his best by the time he won the Middleweight title and he still managed a few defences against good opposition before losing a pair of contentious verdicts to Flowers.