why when mentioning the true greats of boxing does duran get talked about so highly

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  1. MVC!

    MVC! The Best Ever Full Member

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    Please tell me when I said that, I said he could be if he gets more wins against top opposition at WW.

    Nice try, buttmunch. :lol:
     
  2. Vanboxingfan

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    Mayweather doesn't have enough power to prevent Duran from mauling him. As Lederman said, Mayweather has brittle hands and going up against the "Hands of Stone" that's bad news.
     
  3. MVC!

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    De Jesus/Benitez did it and let's not pretend those guy have immense power because they didn't. Those guys probably couldn't break a potato chip with their punches.

    Mayweather is a better fighter than De Jesus and arguably better than Benitez.

    For everyone who claims that Duran would have knocked Mayweather out for sure, BULL****. Just bs.

    Not only does Mayweather possess an amazing chin, but Duran has had his trouble knocking out journeymen in his career. Not knocking his punching power because Duran can crack but would he really find Mayweather's chin? That's a question.

    Mayweather's boxing ability would have befuddled Duran. Duran has never seen anything like Mayweather, not that kind of defense.

    Sure he's had a top 10-15 ATG career, knocking out De Jesus twice, Joppy, Moore, etc and amassed arguably the greatest LW resume.

    But he hasn't knocked out anybody who was truly ELITE. Top of the top. He has never knocked any of the FAB4 fighters down.

    And they said the same thing about Whitaker/Chavez. What happened? Whitaker's jab/movement completely shut Chavez down.
     
  4. ValentinePrince

    ValentinePrince Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Duran was an intense pressure fighter and would have been a stylistic nightmare for Mayweather. Image the the eighth round in Cotto-Mayweather, accept Duran would throw twice as many punches at thrice the speed.
     
  5. MVC!

    MVC! The Best Ever Full Member

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    This is what I'm talking about

    People whom have not watched Duran talking out of their asses. :tired

    "Duran is superman, Duran throws 10000000000000000 punches, Duran punches harder than Julian Jackson"

    Dumb., :blood

    Fact: Mayweather's style is a nightmare for Duran's.
     
  6. Vanboxingfan

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    Actually I think De Jesus verse Mayweather would be a very good fight, I might even pick De Jesus to win. But for Duran, De Jesus would be a household name.

    And if you try telling me you actually seen him fight you're talking **** because De Jesus has very decent skills, correction make that extremely decent skills, which included much more power than Mayweather has, so to say he can't crack an egg tells me you haven't seen him fight.

    MVC surely all of us who have watched BOTH fights and think Duran would win, aren't being simply nostalgic, just watch them both and look at the power difference. I'd also pick Duran's chin over Mayweather, his combo's over him, his transition from defense to offense over him. You can't expect a guy to just have a good defense and beat someone like Duran, he has to bring more to the table than that.

    BTW, I've never claimed Duran would knock out Mayweather, but I did say I think he would maul him, and I can't think of any particular reason why he wouldn't, not at lightweight anyways. And that's not a knock on Mayweather, cause he's arguable a top 25-30 ATG fighter, but Duran is a top 10 fighter for a reason. And Mayweather doesn't really run around the ring, rather he's a counter puncher with great defense, but if he thinks he can counter with single pot shots and keep Duran off him he's be in for a rude awakening. Hell even his dad said Duran was a bad mother****er.
     
  7. StGeorge

    StGeorge Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Huge fan of Duran, one of my all time favourite fighters...

    But the OP is entitled to an opinion, without it necessarily being dismissed as trolling...

    Up to posters to educate this misguided person to the facts :)
     
  8. Imperial1

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    The Ricky Hatton of the day :patsch
     
  9. Vanboxingfan

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    I agree, but one would hope that he's at least interested enough in the question to watch a couple of fights before comparing him to Ricky Hatton. Youtube has all kinds of his fights.
     
  10. MVC!

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    It was a figure of speech haha. But let's not pretend he had hellacious punching power, it wasn't anything special. Mayweather hits harder. He hits hard enough to keep everyone honest. There is a reason no one can walk through his punches. Not even Canelo, someone who is much bigger than him. Not DLH. Not anyone.

    Anyways, there's no way you can claim that Duran has better combos than Mayweather. Mayweather rarely throws combos nowadays and the times he does, it's bloody brilliant. Look at R8 Hatton vs Mayweather, R4 Ortiz vs Mayweather, R12 Cotto/Mayweather and even in the Canelo fight from time to time.

    Yes his transition from defense to offense is better than Mayweather. Sure. But Mayweather has much better offense > defense transitioning.

    Chin it's a tossup. Mayweather has never gone down in 18 years of pro fighting, so we can't really say. Duran's only real chin concern was when he was blown out by Hearns.

    Anyways, Floyd just has too much depth in his boxing game. The footwork, the pot shotting, the way he sets up his punches on the outside. Not only this, he is a beast on the inside as well. Floyd is FAR stronger than people give him credit for, he is incredibly crafty on the inside with his elbows, back turning, pivoting, hitting from different angles.

    Floyd is a kind of beast not even Duran has seen before, and of course the vice versa is also true. But we've seen Duran get outboxed on many occasions. It wouldn't be hard to picture Floyd outboxing him like he does everyone else.

    I just don't see any man being to outbox Mayweather, it just can't be imagined.

    Maybe I'll believe it if it happens, but I just can't picture it.
     
  11. Vanboxingfan

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    hmm so now you're trying to tell me Mayweather has more power and would win on the inside against Duran. lol

    Guess you're going to believe what you want to believe..

    And actually his power was special, you think he was called the Hands of Stone for no reason?
     
  12. MVC!

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    Nope. I'm saying it wouldn't be a destruction like you would believe.

    I think he can be very formidable there, that's all I'm saying.

    Duran hits harder than Floyd, unquestionable. Floyd hits harder than De Jesus/Benitez, don't think that can be questioned.
     
  13. antonio plaisir

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    ...and benitez lacked power!
     
  14. Vanboxingfan

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    Well Buchanan was a good boxer. But fair enough, that definitely wasn't Duran's best performance nor was it at his best weight, but I guess if you're looking for something to hang your hat on, some of those post Leonard-Duran I, fights would be it.

    The Kirkland fight was even worse, if you want to use that one as proof that Mayweather would win. I hardly even recognised Duran in that fight, the commentators had a shopping list of all the things Duran normally did better.

    Maybe you can also use the first Leon Spinks fight to suggest that Wlad would beat Ali. :lol:
     
  15. Ahurath

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    Well he fought in a era where competetivness where the main thing. They had alot of pride fighting in that era and sure the money was viewed as a bonous.

    If a fight the public demanded then they acually tried to make that fight happen, belive it or not.