The "All Things Mayweather/Pacquiao" Express!!!!!!

That's a very good point as far as Lara's position/stance. It would be very interesting to see what would happen if a good portion of the fight was fought inside the pocket which would negate Lara's height and reach advantage.

I always thought Lara could do OK if he utilized his reach advantage with FLoyd and just boxed from a distance. The problem with that though is:

-Lara isn't known for throwing a high amount of punches per round. I don't know how effective he'd be in fighting from a distance against Floyd.

- I think there's a considerable amount of difference between them as far as handspeed and footspeed goes. I can see Floyd potshotting him all night long and Lara not being able to catch Floyd with anything substantial. Watching them fight individually, Floyd just looks like the naturally faster guy with faster hands and feet.

They're both boxing pugilists, but I just don't think Lara would be able to deal with FLoyd's accuracy or overall speed. I don't think FLoyd would give Lara enough time to set up for any of his punches.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8W-Iry0zu5M

 

Again, excellent points. Lara likes to look and stare a bit, and I really don't think Floyd would give him the time for that. He'd reposition his feet or get off first. Lara isn't going to be active on the outside and popping a jab consistently, which is actually what I think needs to be done to disrupt Floyd's timing. Then you need a hammer right hand to back it up.

If you don't have an excellent jab, I personally think the fight is over before it begins. Always liked a young Vernon Forrest in a hypothetical match up with Floyd. I also think a young Hearns obviously would present problems. Hearns had a GREAT jab and was an excellent boxer. Forrest as well. (And I'm talking about two natural WW I might add and comparing them to a guy who started at 130)

Tall, lengthy, great jab, active, and has to know how to box with the best of them obviously. (amateur pedigree is huge here) I don't see anybody like that around at 154 or 147 honestly. And Mayweather is an ATG for a reason. It'd take another great boxer, or father time, to beat him. Physical attributes are not enough by themselves.

 

Exactly. Marciano never beat anyone elite in their prime. He is also not an all time great

 

Forrest and Hearns are great examples, especially the Hitman.

I'd say the closest person that resembled either fighter was Paul WIlliams- a very tall WW who packed a good amount of power and was known to throw upwards of 100 punches per round.

Where Williams differs, and differs greatly from Hearns and Forrest is he's not a true boxer and constantly leaves himself wide open to counterpunches. I always liked the Punisher and thought he could pose some problems for Mayweather, but his combination punching is just way too sloppy and his defense is average at best.

I totally agree with you on the need for a VERY good jab from a distance and finding ways to disrupt FLoyd's timing. Lara has the potential to do that, but I just don't see him doing it because just as you put it, he's not that active when it comes to his punch output. He's too conservative with his offensive approach which will give FLoyd ample time to disrupt Lara's timing and get out of the way after he throws one of those lead rights.

 

Yep. I know he beat him in the rematch via 1st round KO, but that first fight with Quintana really showcased Paul's flaws as a boxer. If Carlos was able to line him like that consistently, there is no reason to believe Mayweather wouldn't as well.

 

Well I agree with you, I don't think Marciano is an All Time Great, but some people have him in their top 10-20 P4P lists all time. Granted, these rankings are very subjective, but a lot of people I know personally view Marciano as an ATG and one of the greatest HW's which I highly disagree with. I think the big HW's of today- someone like VItali- would knock his head off inside 6 rounds. I don't know who Rocky would've beaten in the Golden Era of HW's in the 70's either for that matter- that decade was filled with some top notch HW fighters.

But back to FLoyd and Pacman, I don't know how you can't view those 2 guys as being ATG's. They're clearly the 2 best fighters of this generation, followed by Hopkins.

In FLoyd's case, the only knock I really have on him is that he had way too many semi retirements after the DLH fight. Had he not retired and continued to fight twice a year, he probably would have 4 or 5 more fights under his belt and probably all against some really worthy challengers (i.e. an undefeated Cotto at WW, Paul WIlliams, Pacman at WW.) I won't put Margarito in that list because aside from the fact I never thought he had a chance against Floyd, he's a proven cheater and is way too slow and predictable for a master boxer like Mayweather.

 

We should be proud of ourselves. We took a troll thread, and turned it into some actual discussion about boxing. Notice the OP disappeared when we started talking about styles and strategy. Big surprise.

 

Carlos really exposed WIlliams on that night. It would've been one thing if he knocked him out inside of 2 rounds with a picture perfect shot (i.e. what Maravilla did to Williams in their rematch,) but he fought him for the entire 12 rounds so it wasn't like Williams was caught with a lucky punch from Quintana. Granted, Williams got his revenge against Carlos in their rematch, but that first fight pretty much removed this "aura" of invincibility that some people thought that Paul Williams had.

And Maravilla in my eyes beat him both times and kind of sealed Paul's fate as being a very good fighter, but not someone who should be categorized as an elite P4P stalwart.

 

I wish every thread could find its way into becoming a thread about actual boxing and not just crazy rants.

 

Actually from what I observed I'm convinced any person who STILL!!! thinks Floyd Mayweather jr is a P4P great is really a little light on the grey matter.
Floyd is nothing but smoke and mirrors He cannot FIGHT!!!!! Sure he can stick & run & hide like a little girl guide but if he was forced into a drag out brawl he'd fold like a deck of cards. Id think Floyd is dying with embarassment when he sees what his Daddy said about him " I'll never let Little Floyd fight Paquaio as his health is more important than $$$$$$$ " ROFLMAO If this is the case what is he doing impersonating a professional boxer???
I know I'll get accused of being a ******* or a troll over this post but I assure you I am 100% serious Floyd Mayweather jr is conning you all

 

Void, Sr. will never allow Void, Jr. to fight Pac, he said that after Pac stopped Cotto, something Void could not do..................I have never seen a boxer as afraid of another boxer as I have seen Void............

 

what a ******. Lets say the P4P 1, 2 and 3 are tailored made for pac, should pac avoid fighting those 3 guys?

 

PAC fought Rios. A blown up come forward lightweight. It doesn't gt anymore tailor made than that.

 

They share quite a few fighters on their resume... but I'm guessing your dumb troll azz already knows that.