When some fighters lose their 0 and Groves (undefeated confidence)

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  1. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    When some fighters lose their 0 and Groves


    After a debate with another poster, I decided to get the opinion of some of the fans on ESB.

    I have often felt that when some fighters lose their 0, they often seem to lose confidence that they had when they were an undefeated fighter with an undefeated fighters confidence. This is not always the case and many fighters take the loss and go on and improve, but some just dont seem the same.
    Often it seems that after an undefeated fighter has suffered a loss or KO, they are a bit more cautious as if they are now very aware that they can be KOd and not as gung-ho.
    This thread has nothing to do with if they were ATGs or just heavily hyped, but more to see if the loss does remove something from them more than physically.

    Examples of when certain fighters lost their 0

    Bute was an undefeated world champ, made several defences and regardless of what the haters say, beat several top 10 SMWs and in impressive style. After his loss to Froch, he has gone 1-1 and not looked the same fighter in either.

    J Taylor, was an undefeated world champ who had been in the ring with Hopkins, Wright, Spinks, but after the Pavlik loss went 1-3 in his next 4 fights

    G Johnson after losing to Hopkins went 7-8-2 before getting his career more on track

    Go back even and see how fighters like D Curry and M Taylor careers seemed different after a loss.


    Now many posters say a loss means nothing, but to some fighters I think it does means alot when you look at them before and after.

    When Groves fought Froch he seemed confident in his ability to take a shot and stay inside with Froch, now he has suffered a KO loss (I dont think it should have been stopped and felt Groves was OK to go on), will he be the same fighter or more cautious and try and stay away from Froch?

    So do you think there is such a thing as an undefeated fighters confidence that can go after a loss, and do you think Groves will be affected?
     
  2. Swollen Liver

    Swollen Liver Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Suffered a KO...man you're on trolling mission. As much as I like Froch, he was getting owned all over the place. UK stoppage at his best. If someone goes in the ring with no confidence in their rematch, it will be Froch.
     
  3. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    No trolling at all. Read what I wrote
    I made 2 bets for Groves to win, one just for a win and the other for a KO win as although I like Froch, feel this era is weak and Froch is at the right time and Groves as a young undefeated puncher mover would have a massive chance. I think Groves was clearly winning and could have gone on, but thats not what the thread is about. Read again
     
  4. Swollen Liver

    Swollen Liver Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Fair enough. But, let's be honest. There was NO real KO there. Nothing that can alterate confidence in a negative way IMO. I think it will only pump up Groves!
     
  5. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    What about in general to some fighters like Bute/Taylor
     
  6. ashishwarrior

    ashishwarrior I'm vital ! Full Member

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    i personally think a loss means fu ck all
    a fighter should look at it as a learning curve there is no shame in losing as both fighters cant win its all part of the game , the saying every days a school day springs to mind , bailey turning into one of the best posters on the forum if not the best
     
  7. Swollen Liver

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    I was about to compare the Groves situation vs the Bute situation. Two totally different case. Bute got battered (like I've rarely seen before) and destroyed mentally against Froch. Sadly, he left his soul in UK. He cannot pull the trigger anymore in case there's a counter punch coming in. I was there for the Bute-Pascal fight and damn...that was boring;) Both were looking scared at some point. It was like a shot fighter with no confidence against a semi-shot fighter. Before the Bute-Froch fight, this matchup would have not been the same I think.
     
  8. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Thanks for the compliment Ash.
    To some fighters I dont think a loss means anything, but to others I think it means alot.
    Interesting post. That was kind of what I was getting at. With Bute it seems like the loss has changed him in my opinion, yet some fighters it might not have changed a thing, but I think it could be that undefeated confidence that Bute lost?
     
  9. HitBattousai

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    It really just depends on the fighter in question. Some fighters get that loss and come back stronger. Others are about the same, and I'd say the majority do go downhill somewhat. For Groves, I don't think it's a big deal in this case since he has a legitimate case for considering himself still undefeated. I do think he will focus more on staying at range versus Froch in the rematch if he can though.
     
  10. Swollen Liver

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    Well...it was much worse than a simple loss that night. His confidence and self esteem got ****ed up against Froch who simply looked possesed! There are ways to lose...I mean, I know it may sound weird but it would have been better for Bute to get knock out cold by one punch than getting beat up for five rounds. He suffered 6-7 good concussions in those rounds which takes their toll on a boxer's career. Also, losing a good competitive fight is no big deal IMO. People are putting too much emphasis on being undefeated.
     
  11. ashishwarrior

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  12. A|C|S

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    Rveryone believes they are the best boxer and no man should beat them, thats what gets them so far thst belief, when they lose (depending on how they lose) reality sets in, only the mentally strong can pick themselves up and go on again and not let it affect them

    Groves doesnt have to worry about confidence about his chin or losing its just his stamina, if he gasses hes gonna lose
     
  13. dayday

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    A KO loss? What fcuking fight were you watching
     
  14. bailey

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    Read what I wrote (I dont think it should have been stopped and felt Groves was OK to go on)
    I made 2 bets for Groves to win, one just for a win and the other for a KO win as although I like Froch, feel this era is weak and Froch is at the right time and Groves as a young undefeated puncher mover would have a massive chance. I think Groves was clearly winning and could have gone on, but thats not what the thread is about. Read again
     
  15. qwert

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    It takes a lot of mental strength for a fighter to come back from a KO loss. But in the case of Groves, I don't think his confidence will be dented as he doesn't consider it a legitimate KO loss. If anything, he may be too gung-ho in his desire to prove a point. But it's more likely to have no discernible effect.