Marciano with modern training

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  1. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    And I make ludicrous posts!!!!:lol::

    How many children weigh 10lb?
     
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  2. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Spot on.:good
     
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  3. McGrain

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    It might have been a better fight, it would have been hard for it to be worse given the nature of the fight. Of course, if Povetkin had come in at 210, and Wladimir had come in at 240, Povetkin gets mashed.


    Yes, there is. It would result in a 216lbs fighter getting handled by much heavier men. This is the entirety of the reason why they don't do it.

    Your "old time training" gets your fighter beaten.

    :lol: It comes from your mathematics you dip****.

    Wlad's weight for Povetkin was 241. 241-25=216. So this number comes from your exact proposition :lol:

    Horrible.
     
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  4. janitor

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    He went into a kick boxing match around the cruiserweight limit once!

    This is probably something we should note when comparing the physical parameters of the old timers.

    Do you realise that he might actualy have had a profesional fight under 200lbs in the 1930s !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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  5. McGrain

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    :lol: newborn children almost always weigh around 10lbs you spaz.
     
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  6. McGrain

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    But none of this is relevant, at all.

    Vitali, I'm sure, could boil down to 175lbs. He'd be extremely ill, but it is possible. So what?

    Vitali NEVER looked better at doing this sport than he did at around 245lbs. That's a fact. An entirely undeniable one.
     
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  7. McGrain

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    It's hard to take you boys seriously when you are talking about fighters who look great at a very large weight would magically look better at a lower weight. It's totally fair enough for some of the slobs we've seen that clearly are encumbered by their weight (Peter, Solis guys like that) and going for a lighter weight, but insisting that guys like Wlad, Vitali and Lewis should be lighter, or that fighter that are already on the light side need to boil down further becasue...Christ, I forget, but for whatever reason, that's crazy.

    If Frazier was boxing now, you guys would probably be trying to tell me why he should weigh the same as Rocky.
     
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  8. janitor

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    I agree, but my point is that the size gulf between old timers and modern fighters, is in large part one of training methods.

    The same people who hold Vitally up as the ultimate product of modern training, often argue that it would only have made the old timers worse!
     
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  9. McGrain

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    I'm sure that's probably true, at least in part.
     
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  10. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    chldren go to school. only babies are newborn. never heard of a "newborn children"?:patsch
     
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  11. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    but he was fighting slower heavier men who fought at a slower pace. he was not fighting men who fought against higher competition, who packed more fights together at a younger age so that they combined seasoning, experience and youth. Vitali would have been at a disadvantage had he taken up boxing in those days weighing 240. he would have struggled to weigh so high under that programe.

    How can you know 240 odd was the best for Vitali? he is aproduct of the training style of his era. wouldnt he have had to have adapted to the ways of the time in order to develop in another era?

    all fighters are a product of the training methods of their era.
     
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  12. Seamus

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    Well, where is the magical 190 pounder who fights at a fast pace to beat the likes of Vitali, Waldo, Lewis, Bowe? Where are these terrors of old? If just one of these allegedly fattened up 230 pounders released the 200 pounder within wouldn't they take over the division? And as far as Povetkin being a fatty… Goddamn but he was active over 12 rounds repeatedly coming at the hugging giant Waldo. Stamina was not his problem there. He was outgunned and outranged.
     
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  13. LittleRed

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    The average male has increased in height by about an inch. I don't think Rocky is getting over 6'.
     
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  14. McGrain

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    :lol: you are in here claiming that Wladimir should box at 216lbs but trying to chew me out for writing "children" instead of "newborn children".

    Just because I enjoy humiliating your pedantry, i'll stoop to some of my own:

    http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/child

    "A son or daughter of any age:"

    So, wrong again :good

    You're right, 215 is more like it :lol: :nut
     
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  15. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Aye, it's daft. Whining about Areola's weight is reasonable. Insisting the Klitschko brothers would be better below 220 is pathetic.
     
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