I am a boxing manager: if you have questions about the boxing biz, ask!

Discussion in 'Boxing Training' started by dempsey1234, Dec 31, 2012.


  1. dempsey1234

    dempsey1234 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Is it something you feel you are ready for and that you really want to do then go get to a gym where there might be pro's. Ask around for a trainer, any decent trainer will be able to tell you, if you are ready to fight pro. I know of a NY fighter who turned pro with zero amateur fights, but he had a ton of street fights, he wound up with respectable record of 59-16-3, 27ko's, also a HOF fighter Julio Cesar Chavez sr had only 15 amateur fights. So a guy with limited amateur experience can succeed the odds are against it. my advice would be to wait get some experience. Good luck,
     
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    MakingWeight any idea on above?
     
  3. Makingweight

    Makingweight Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Vincenzo,southern area a few grand especially and English titles,depending on the weight division around 5-10k possibly more say English title HW if a hot prospect is involved.
    British title almost always pay more than commonwealth title fight,again a British HW title fight will certainly.
    It again comes down to division,tv etc.I had a friend fight several British 140LB fights no more than 15-20k as champ his challenger barely half.Those figures are accurate for a lot of average British title fights...but not all.
    To give you the other end BJ Saunders v John Ryder 160lb MW British title fight went to purse bids,a mistake led to a second round of bids.Put it this way the winning purse was near 6 figures massive,massive money for that level.
    It really depends on who is involved but the the 15-20k figure aprox for British title fights,barring a HW showdown or two unbeaten prospects like BJS V Ryder wanted by two promoters & two tv companies.You are doing very well to earn more.
    Commonwealth doesn't pay better at all say a UK prospect v a import because no real box office draw at all doing well to get 10-15k as a British prospect.
    Hope that helps!
     
  4. dempsey1234

    dempsey1234 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    In the US I would say that same numbers apply also depends on the fight, and fighters, as M said. Here, there is the different levels of TV available.
    There is Telemundo, $3-5k(US)TVAzteca, about the same most fights out of Mexico, FoxSports, Fox Deportes, NBC, ESPN, they pay more but depends on the promoter and their contractual obligations to the fighter. In the US, it's not the TV that pays the fighters, it's the promoter who pays. The TV outlets pay a minimal amount to televise a show, in fact MOST of those shows on the various outlets mentioned are financial losers. HBO, pays best, but SHOWTIME, seems to be catching up, PPV is another story, minimum mid- 6 figures to 8 figures.
     
  5. Makingweight

    Makingweight Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I have been reading this week and watched a documentary on fighters that have sufferred the affects of 'dementia pugilistica' often fighters who have gone on too long.The connection also of ring injuries between fighters that have a father in their corner seems to be significantly higher,have no exact figures but came up in two seperate programmes I watched.

    It is paramount to have a good experienced management team together.The father especially can get involved in areas they have had no previous dealings with,.The money side,opponent being another,when a fighter can jump up in class,the moving up from 4 rounds novice and onwards.Should the family father have a imput why not?A view being one thing,if things are drastically wrong with the management of a fighter hell yes,but picking trainers that are a good fit not ideal,opponents etc really not wise.You are out of your depth.You would be better served with the CV of the manager you sign with being paramount,who they know,work with,what they have done a track record.

    The father that trains a fighter with no previous experience also can be hit and miss..often miss Joe Calzaghe's Dad Enzo did a fantastic job in many aspects.The management of JC with regards his brittle hands he did virtually no sparring towards the end many,many trainers would not of allowed that.This is not the case with many of course quite the opposite!

    Finally on the sad case of dementia pugilistica it can be fighters that go on too long we know of very famous names that have.It could also be genetic take LaMotta,Chuvalo etc fighters that could shrug off insane amounts of punishment.Chuvalo as bright as a button still.

    Then what about two forgotten sets of brothers the Quarry's Michael & Jerry sufferred from it.The more extreme case managed by Sid Flaherty and cornered by their father Harry Phil Moyer 28-9-1 record (38 fights) and Denny Moyer 97-38-4 (140 fights) both ended up in the same nursing home.The point being it isn't the amount of fights always.The Moyer boys both beat SR Robinson for most that wouldn't of heard of them.Denny far more talented no doubt went on far,far too long,15-15 at the tailend becoming a name on the opponents resume.SR Robinson was a name if you know what i mean?

    Great sport boxing love the game,the part to know when to hang up those gloves it's the hardest decision a fighter will make a true fact.
     
  6. scrap

    scrap Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Good Post.
     
  7. dempsey1234

    dempsey1234 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    As always M, good points. in my experience fathers tend to think they know best and they use "I am your father and have raised you from a peanut I know what's best for you". They usually don't have a clue and hang big time guilt trips on their son's.
     
  8. Makingweight

    Makingweight Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Guys if you want to see how a fighters money can be mismanaged google Felix Trinidad.

    News coming from Puerto Rico his ring fortune has been squandered by bad investments made by his right hand man Jose Ramos.I won't spoil it for you,the figures astronomical.
     
  9. dempsey1234

    dempsey1234 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ah, the good old days google this article, ' Fifty Percent Of Harry' this is how it was. Think of this where would the following ATG's, HOF'r's , names like Jack Dempsey, Rocky Marciano, Zarate, Zamora, "Finito", be if they had not met the "50 percenters"?
    I charge 10% but guys like Kearns, Al Weil, and the great "Cuyo" Hernandez, and Hurley, which you will read about, all took 50% and the expenses came out of the fighters end. I know one very well known HOF boxing guy, who would invite the fighters to dinner, he graciously paid the tab at the end of the camp the fighters would find purse deductions in the amount of the whole dinner not just what they ate, but the whole tab.
    Yes sir the good old days!
     
  10. zetsui

    zetsui Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I got a question. As someone with a finance background, this seems like a glorified salesman job, but what role can financial analysts play in a DEVELOPED/MAJOR promotional agency?
     
  11. dempsey1234

    dempsey1234 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It is, you are selling your fighters services, those 50 centers all were great talkers and all knew the business. A financial person understands the numbers, but it takes a manager to build and nurture the business(fighter) to a point where it can be successful.
    A financial person will look at numbers and weigh the risks vs rewards and make a decision based on those numbers.
    For Instance a young prospect will take about 3-5 yrs to make any real money. Nowadays it takes around $100,000 to take a fighter who is with a major company to go through just 10 fights at least. Every fight after that, the meter is running the numbers go up. The promoter, the manager, the trainers all make an investment in the fighter, of time, money and resources which can go up in smoke in one fight. I don't know if to a financial person the numbers make sense, boxing is a toss of the dice.
     
  12. Thracian

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    David Reid had a droopy eyelid. He was supposedly pushed because he had a limited shelf-life period. I could be wrong, though, you tell me.
     
  13. Makingweight

    Makingweight Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Shannon Briggs documentary on that well known search engine documentary by Naked Sport.

    If you have a spare hour I urge you all to watch it.

    Interesting to see Briggs knowing you need to make your money and get out.The documentary is 22 years old.

    Briggs of course 'won' in the 1st round last night....on his comeback due to money problems.
     
  14. dempsey1234

    dempsey1234 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Reid and Fernando Vargas, both fought Felix Trinidad the same year and both were basically done after the Trinidad fight, Vargas lasted a little longer. Vargas fought 10 more times and retired going 6-4, with 3 ko losses, Reid, fought 4 more times going 3-1, the last was a loss by ko
    Reid 14-0 vs Trinidad 36-0
    Vargas 20-0 vs Trinidad 38-0
    Both were nowhere being ready or experienced enough to do battle with such a destructive fighter that was Trinidad at that time. Where were the managers on this???? The reason both were put in was pure and simple greed. Both guys fought their asses off in their fights with Trinidad but in the end it cost them both their careers.
     
  15. Thracian

    Thracian Active Member Full Member

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    I see what you're saying. Good examples.