Marciano with modern training

Marciano was a freak back then when making weight was a heavyweight thing as well as the other divisions. Marciano like Tyson could put on solid Muscle and stay solid with less running and more muscle building cardio, Mike Tyson only had 2 inches in arm length over Marciano and Mike was maybe an inch or 2 shorter. I have put on 40lbs of muscle and lost it with running, funny but when I put it on my arms,legs,neck and shoulders grow but It does not look like 40 lbs I just realize as I get older i need more weight to maintain the same strength but must be careful because too much slow you terrible. Balance

 

So, Marciano had to cut weight to keep up with such speedy phenoms as Harry Matthews, Lee Savold, Freddie Beshore, Rex Layne, and a Mathusela Joe Louis. And Waldo kept in the 240's for such sloths as Fast Eddie Chambers and Chris Byrd.

I get it now.

 

Lewis would have Stopped him if Marciano piled on some pounds to make heavyweight to fight him. No modern technology would have helped him to beat Lewis. Mismatch.


At LHW he loses to Hopkins badly and jones via points

 

I think under traditional old school training wlad could be as low as 216 for a starting point and max out as he matured to 228-230. If he were compeating against classic naturally trained fighters he would need to be faster and it would be within his best interests to keep within that weight range. If he did, he w would utilise the skills he already had at a better pace. His boxing I imagine would be more advanced. He would be lighter of foot and able to use more angles, so yes. I will put my neck out, if only to make you smile, and say I think it would improve an already great fighter but of course there really is no need. Wlad is fighting inexperienced oafs with less talent and conditioning.

Regarding Lewis being a better technicians at the lighter weight, I think you latched more onto Lewis even though I included Bowe who is a stronger case in the initial example. Bowe was a better technician at the lighter weight. He had more options because he could move and he could fight and his pace was better.

Even so, if you put Manny Stewart's input into the lighter version of Lewis you will have a better all round fighter of either version of Lennox Lewis. Certainly the lightest version Manny worked with was the better Lennox Lewis. There was a lot of huffing and puffing in some of his fights where he was pretty thankful that the other man was slower, less talented and less experienced than he was. The weight itself did not make him better.

 

Marciano did not have Wlads physical advantages to fall back on. The only way he could beat the technical boxers of his era was by having better endurance. Even in his own era hw would probably have come in heavier, if more big heavyweights had been around.

 

Didn't Marciano receive a gift vs jersey joe???

 

My bad. But Marciano was way down on the cards until he scored the ko .
Marciano is so overrated

 

What is the question?

The drive came from within him. Training today isn't going to make him work any harder. Its still up to him how hard he applies it.

There seems to be some illusion that training methods didn't exist from yesteryear. Rock was one of the fitest fighers to lace em up.

 

You obviously know diddley squat about him.

 

Marcino had 3 or 4" less reach than Tyson, not 2", depending upon whether you accept 67" as his reach-as listed in this thread-or 68". Bummy it is unlikely you lost 40 lbs. of pure muscle, unless you now have somewhat less than an average man of your frame, -r used PEDs & became extremely bulky.

WIth natural training a man with an average skeleton can add ~ 35 lbs. of skelatal muscle over an average man with a LIFETIME of training. That is absent PEDs (I coulnt creatine as one) & starting off averge, not a skinny kid. You lost some fat & maybe not as bulked from more food in you system too wheneating more, maybe you lost 25 lbs. of muscle, still a great deal.

Choklab you argue well, in restraint & logic too. I am unsure where the exact truth lies, but you make an excellent case.

 

I'm very much aware of their official stats and gave my opinion of them.

I see a frame that could carry 210 and not be effected in theory.

 

Funny. I did a punch count on Marciano Walcott a few weeks back. In several rounds Marciano's punch count was below 40. Overall his output was rather pedestrian, in line with Waldo's during his recent fights. The myth of "100 punches a round" is just that. What was exhausting is that he loaded up on so many punches… and in turn left himself wide, wide open after many assaults. This is a situation that would prove highly detrimental when he confronts someone with monstrous length advantages.

 

I would suggest that you do a punch count on Marciano Charles I.

Marciano struggled against Walcott precisely because he was not busy enough

He fought a dumb fight, and his power bailed him out.

Presumably he learned from this in later fights.