Marciano with modern training

No he was as effective but he didn't look as good. What he lost in one hand he gained in another. Lewis was more experienced by the time he went that heavy but he was also fighting slow men with less talent so the extra weight did not encumber him like it would have had he been facing faster, younger men of greater talent.

A better example is Riddick Bowe. He clearly went down hill the bigger he got. There is a chance Bowe would have been a better fighter had he had to develop in the 1960s because he would be keeping his weight down to keep up with faster men altogether. Instead Bowe fought at a time when heavyweights experimented with a weight advantage as a gameplan in itself.

There is a lot of artificial weight in the division. Big as he was I heard Bowe in an interview talking about needing to eat late at night in order to "hold onto his weight" so that he couldn't burn too much off the next day. Deliberate weight gain whilst training.

 

I've informed him of this before. He won't it because he knows what the results will be.

Maricano reached 100 or near it against Moore and ****ell as well.

 

I dont think holyfeild was necessarily better as he got older and neither was Lewis although still both great fighters. I think Lewis's later competition did get worse. I think Tucker and Ruddock, bruno were better than Grant, mavrovik and Akinwande. Vitali came into his own later on but there was not much to test him.

 

Somtimes a fighter spends their entire career refighting a single fight where they made mistakes.

In Marciano's case, I think it was the first Walcott fight.

 

Prime Tucker and Ruddock are better than Vitali and Tua.

Tucker in his prime from the 80s would have a good chance of beating Lewis going off how the old , washed up drug addicted version of him fared.
Against Vitali is a no brainier.

Id pick Rudock over Vitali as well going on how he competed against a still very dangerous Tyson and how Vitali did against pillow fisted Chisora

 

i disagree,before i ever learned a thing about boxing i could hit harder than any heavyweight in my gym(and we had a number of them) who had better punching technique.i am assuming the fact i could bench over 400lb overhead press 300 lb and squat, deadlift over 500lb was the reason.my punches were not slow,though my arms chest and shoulders were pretty thick.like tyson thick and quick._________“ "Marciano weighed in at 185 and was said to be about 5’10", rumor has it that he was more like 5’8" or 5’9".
- Jerry Glick - Contributing Editor - New York City, USA___watch video,(states 5'9")this guy sounds knowledgeable and heavyweights especially would like too appear larger. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0UAzjlwkEo

 

rocky had a 7.5 wrist that is a good size frame for a 5'9" man

 

he already had "added muscle" look at his forearms,legs and lats.most guys 5'9" are middleweights or less.

 

and unbeaten.

 

rocky had liniment in his eyes and was practically blind in the middle rounds,that is why he missed and ate so many punches. http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=2481103

 

Joe Louis trained to make weight, he sometimes boxed in exhibitions at 230lbs from what I heard but always trained down to be fit for actual fights. Heavyweights did that as far back as Dempsey. They wanted to be in condition

 

There are certain genetic types with large frames that can bulk up with mostly muscle and get thicker not fat. There is a balance depending on the sport you are competing in...Eddie Chambers and Chris Byrd are 2 guys who lost 40+ lbs and there are others and neither was a muscular guy and both were about 6" I have thick legs and when I gain weight a lot of my weight and muscle goes to my legs and when I lose it my legs thin out but everybody is different

 

If you have to criticise a fighter based on fights that they won, you don’t have all that much to criticise them about.