The "All Things Mayweather/Pacquiao" Express!!!!!!

Arum and Floyd to blame for the biggest fight on the planet not happening

 

FMJ would outpoint PAC, thats fair.

However when was the last time FMJ knocked someone out?

Not including cheap shots...

 

Marquez was not p4p#3 when he fought Floyd not even close

 

Lol this MF was just preaching and selling Rios-Manny a few months ago. Now Floyd fighting in a unification about is a problem.

He's mad Floyds not bringing him in any $$

 

Lol truth.

A ******* alt, calling himself ladygirl, probs gave timothy bradley death threats to make him fight like the way he did last night.

Pure idiots, now its, 'he won, his the goat' bull**** again..damn fools

 

In boxing it IS the criteria by how divisions are measure, and quit pretending like theres some enormous dimensional difference.

Floyd is a regular height, regular reach WW, but who is physically quite slight.

Hes an inch taller than Pac, with a few inches on reach,and they're the exact same weight.

Long story short,if you saw the 2 side by side in jeans and a t-shirt,they would look basically the same size.

Floyds a little longer, Pacs a little more muscled, thats all

 

:deal

 

Arum is a snake if he was promoting maidana , he would be hyping him up vs one of his guys, its just politics. Remember this guy who said Pacman vs Rios will be a great close fight.

Nothing wrong with Floyd vs Maidana at 147, 2 belt holders and both in good form coming of huge wins. Wether you think Maidana has no chance or not its not a joke fight like Snake Arum is saying. But again Arum doesn't really mean it, he would also call Floyd vs Thurman a Joke, Floyd vs Porter ect a Joke. he has a pro Toprank, anti Golden Boy agenda.

 

'Awesome footwork' - are you kidding. Half ( and that's being kind) of manny punches are thrown off balance. Within his combinations he leaves himself exposed to hooks and his lateral movement is still a work in progress. Floyd would have no problem with him

 

WHY PACQUAIO WOULD BEAT MAYWEATHER IF THE FIGHT WAS TO EVER HAPPEN........For the people who didn't see it, this is an old post I made a while back that I had to dig up since one of Mayweather's biggest hypemen decided to call me out on this fight, so here's the reasons WHY I believe Pacquaio would beat Mayweather if they ever fight. You can take what you want from it but this is what I believe would happen from a logical standpoint after my observation of the styles of both fighters.
I feel that people are discrediting Marquez's win by equating him to Mayweather and basically generalizing with the concept that Manny would get beaten by any elite counter-puncher, including Floyd, by default. I have to say that people are harshly ignoring the nuances of the game by continually equating Marquez and Floyd without looking at the subtle but absolutely key aspects of their tactical profiles.


They are completely different fighters who set up their counters completely differently.
First off, the key for Marquez against Pacquiao has always been his constant lateral movement. Not only does he constantly sway at a low center of gravity while rotating away from Pac's left, but he pivots out of range and changes the angle after landing an attack, or even in the middle of an exchange, to completely confuse Pacquiao and take away his ability to take the initiative with his amazingly swift footwork. He does this so much so that in the second half of the fight of their third fight, he caught Pacquiao with a left hook pretty much behind the head because of how he was able to laterally shift away from an oncoming Manny.



Mayweather on the other hand is a more conventional "slick" counter-puncher who relies on his control of distance to anticipate and neutralize his opponent. While he's brilliant in reading his opponent and measuring his own punches against their own, he usually does this either going straight backwards or straight forwards, with efficient footwork. He has habituated himself to fighting in straight lines in order to land his favorite punches; lead right hands, pull-counters, jabs to the body, counter or lead left hooks, or counter-right uppercuts when swarmed. But one thing Mayweather almost never shows is the type of lateral movement Marquez shows. I can point to the De La Hoya and Cotto fights (which I thought he barely won) for evidence of this habit. De La Hoya(past it) and Cotto(shopworn), while still game, had an offensive gameplan that relied a lot on mere feints and swarms of activity to back Floyd up, and they usually did so with no problem. Even after Mayweather adjusted to the rhythm and started winning rounds, he hardly ever looked impressive and was backing up consistently without ever shifting towards a laterally-minded gameplan. Wouldn't that have made things easier for him instead of constantly giving up the center and having to retreat to the ropes to counter before escaping? Someone with the style of Hopkins (as in VS Pavlik), for example, would prefer such tactics, and Floyd seems to prefer seeing his opponent right in front of him, positioning himself right in front.
This comfort zone does not appear to be a preferred strategy for someone who can rotate so quickly and match Floyd speed for speed with plenty of pop behind it.

This leads into my second point, which is that Marquez's movement allows him to get Pacquiao on the inside and punish him. As an in-the-pocket counter-puncher, Marquez can duck under and find himself body-to-body with pacquiao and take advantage of his unpolished inside game. Uppercuts, combinations, and even spots of controlled aggression (before pivoting out) are something that he can do because of his relatively similar size to Pacquiao.


Now, while people point to Mayweather's reach giving Pacquiao issues, I don't believe he'll be able to use it to control Pacquiao if he shows his regular movement. Floyd's accurate and reflexive, but his defensive stance by nature anchors his back foot to the canvas, and allows someone as fleet-footed as Pacquiao to change the punching angle and capitalize for an offensive opportunity with a swarm of combinations.
Fighting in straight lines is not the way to beat Pacquiao; you have to take away the punching angle, and I don't think at all that Floyd can circle as well as he can back-pedal.(Timothy Bradley even shows better lateral movement than Mayweather does).



On top of all of this is tempo. While Marquez was able to control pace from time to time, he was still able to fluidly exchange with Pacquiao and see the angles in order to time the better shots while rolling with Pac's own. Mayweather, as skilled and tough and intuitive as he is, has not shown this quality in abundance. The times he's been hurt actually, have been times he's over-committed to his own punches (Corely, Judah, Mosley). He can adjust brilliantly round-to-round, but as controversial as it may sound, I feel he lacks this sort of intangible fluidity Marquez has in his approach. Floyd can counter for 3 rounds and then come forward for 7, while Marquez can switch between momentary aggressor and counter-puncher several times within the same round.



Mayweather's great ability still makes the fight competitive but don't think for a second that Pacquiao's own skills and physical gifts are a puzzle easily solved by a majority of elite boxers that necessarily bunch both Mayweather and Marquez together.



Styles (NOT labels) make fights, and Marquez and Mayweather are nearly night and day when it comes to applying their craft. And Pacquaio is all wrong for him if this fight ever takes place and I think Mayweather see's all the things that I've mentioned in scouting Pacquaio which is why he's been so hesitant on taking fight and it will never happen.



:deal

 

When was the last time Floyd fought someone the SAME SIZE AS HIM WITH A SUSPECT CHIN?

Pac would get knocked down. Floyd keeps fighting bigger guys.

When he fought Hatton, Marquez, both got knocked down/out.

Same size.

Pac's chin is glasssss.

 

Tl dr

 

I don't agree, but it's nice to see a detailed analysis about Pac & Floyd instead of the usual circle-jerks

 

With regards cotto, the second uppercut was from such a wierd angle and with speed that really got him. Plus cotto is so susceptible to the uppercut, it's his achillis heal. Mayweather staggered him with one in their fight during the 12th round. Concreto loaded off on him too.

 

As much as I dislike arum it's sad to see the demise of top rank. Top rank apart from manny have ZERO fighters at the moment to fill an undercard or main fight. Arum continues to underpay his fighters (6m for Bradley an undefeated champion !!!) and they've wisened up. Al haymon is snapping up good fighters on a weekly basis.