The "All Things Mayweather/Pacquiao" Express!!!!!!

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Yea, Manny has never weighed more than 145 on Fight Night. atsch:roll: Yes, you're a lying, dishonest, sack of ****. i.e - You're part of the problem on this site. You're one of the worthless trolls.

Sorry, but I consider dishonest "men" to not be "real men." You're a piece of ****. I don't care if it's the Internet. A real man doesn't need to be a fake ass piece of **** like you guys do and lie about stuff.

So "as a man" I'm calling you out for being a liar. Yes, very personal. I think you're a worthless sack of **** who is probably dishonest in real life as well as the Internet.

 

Floyd showed a warrior heart against Mosley. It's not floyds fault that he is so good that he doesn't get into battles. As for floyd hand picking fights , this is nonsense. Firstly boxers have managers, it's their job to 'pick' fights and arrange the details. ( just as manny/arum has 'picked 6 fights against two of the same opponents!) Secondly, who has manny fought that floyd should have fought?

 

All of these boxers

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are pound for pound better than Floyd and Manny. A higher pound for pound ranking means that fighter X's career is more impressive/notable/accomplished. All boxers (including the ones higher than Floyd and Manny) of every era have fought tomato cans and bums like Manny and Floyd have, but these men's wins against notable opponents far outweigh anything that a present day fighter has done or will do, at least for the foreseeable future.

1. Joe Louis - beat Schmeling, Baer, Braddock, Conn, Walcott. 25 HW title defenses in 11 years when Floyd's whole career consists of 45 fights in 18 years

2. Sam langford - a lightweight beating up heavyweights, was 30 pounds lighter than heavyweight Jack Johnson when he fought him, also beat Harry Wills, Gans, and Ketchel. A lightweight fighting an all time great heavyweight and giving him a competitive fight (even if he lost) is much more impressive than Floyd beating oversized bums like Canelo and a washed up Oscar, or Manny beating broken down Cotto.

3. Henry Armstrong - number 2 p4p all time. Held 3 titles simultaneously in an era with only 8 weight classes and one title per class. No Junior/Super weight classes and no 4 belts per weight class. Beat Barney Ross, Fritzie Zivic and more

4. Walker Smith (Sugar Ray Rob) - the greatest. No need to explain but I will anyway because these kids these days don't know nothing bout boxing. 128-1-2 in his prime, and he fought and beat the best of his era even after his prime - Olson, Lamotta, Basora, Turpin, Fullmer, Costner, Gavilan you could go on and on

5. Ray Leonard - finished Benitez, made Duran quit, came from behind to beat Tommy Hearns. After a 3 year layoff moved up in weight to fight Hagler and in my opinion lost but you could make a case for either guy winning - I doubt if Floyd fought Golovkin after a 3 year layoff that the fight would be anything close to competitive. Same for Manny.

6. Marvin Hagler - finished Hearns in 3 rds. again, you could score Leonard Hagler either way. beat Duran. KOd Mugabi and beat Hamsho twice

7. Tommy Hearns - got robbed in a rematch with Ray Leonard, KOd Duran in 2 ROUNDS!!!! beat Benitez. Even when he was past his prime he beat Virgil Hill. He did lose to Barkley but Barkley was much bigger than him and styles make fights. Conversely Floyd has never fought someone like Vernon Forrest or Winky Wright who have the perfect style to beat him like Barkley did vs Hearns. Manny has fought a bad style matchup and got crushed by Marquez.

8. Roberto Duran - first man to beat Ray Leonard. also beat Iran Barkley (and Duran is a natural LIGHTWEIGHT). Conversely, Floyd's only win over a prime and legitimate opponent, and his best win comes against an undersized guy (Marquez). Duran is the greatest 135er of all time. Had one slip up vs Esteban Jesus (and relatively early in his career) which he avenged easily twice.

9. Roy jones - had a lot of not so great opposition but - he beat Hopkins with a broken right hand EASILY, destroyed an undefeated James Toney, beat Cesar Gonzalez, KOd Virgil Hill, was a middleweight and moved up to heavyweight to win a belt. - Of course, Ruiz is not a great heavyweight but regardless it is mind blowing that a middleweight had the skill to even step in to a ring versus a heavyweight let alone dominate. Thats not as crazy as Langford fighting Jack Johnson but its still insane.

10. Bhopkins - I would say his robbery vs Calzaghe was a notable win especially at over 40 but Calzaghe fought bums his whole career - a washed up RJJ doesnt count. Regardless - BHop dominated an undefeated Trinidad, KOd Oscar (who is overrated but the same competition that Floyd and Manny fought - only he wasn't as washed up when he fought Bernard), beat Winky Wright who was on a 12-0-1 streak, the only man to finish Glen Johnson, moved up 2 classes to beat Tarver, destroyed an undefeated Pavlik at over 40 years old. and beat Pascal twice even though he got robbed with a draw. - still fighting at the highest level at the age of 49.

11. Ezzard Charles - beat the great Joe Louis. as a blown up 175er he was making overrated Marciano have problems. Beat guys like Maxim, Bivins, Archie Moore, and Reynolds. You young kids these days don't know nothing about the real boxers so you probably won't recognize those names. However, they were more substance than name value - which you can't say about today's era. Beat and lost to Jersey Joe Walcott also

12. Archie Moore - Also like Ezzard, a blown up 175er who gave Marciano a lot of problems. Beat, Maxim, Olson, Valdes,

13. Jersey Joe Walcott - beat Charles, Bivins, Maxim, etc. Crushed overrated Rocky as a blown up 175er before getting KOd. (Remember, you have to factor in that this is a old fighter at a much lower natural weight class whipping a top level HW - he did lose, but the fact that he and guys like Moore and Charles were causing problems despite those disadvantages is notable - just like Langford making Johnson have a tough fight)

14. Evander Holyfield - Undisputed Cruiser and Heavyweight champ. Beat Qawi at cruiser. Easily beat Riddick Bowe in fight 2, avenged his loss to Moorer, beat Tyson, beat an old Foreman and Holmes - who were still notable wins despite being old (unlike Oscar or some other guys), beat Ray Mercer too. For a natural cruiser to dominate the HW division is mind-blowing (even if he was roided out of his mind - skills pay the bills)

15. Lennox Lewis - beat every man he ever faced. Beat Holyfield twice. Finished Tommy Morrison. KOd Golota in one round (who should've beaten Bowe if he wasn't an idiot). Smashed in the overrated Vitali's face despite being 38, fat, and in the worst shape of his career while Vitali was in his prime.

16. Larry Holmes - beat Cooney, Shavers twice, Norton, and robbed vs Spinks. Even though Larry was old he still beat Ray Mercer.

17. Muhammad Ali - Patterson, Liston, Foreman, Frazier, Norton (he did get a few gifts though - also a gift vs Jimmy Young), Quarry, Bonavena, Ellis. Not much explanation needed

18. Joe Frazier - the only people to beat him are Foreman and Ali. Still beat Ali, Quarry, Bob Foster, Bonavena, Jimmy Ellis.

19. George Foreman - absolutely crushed Frazier and Norton. beat Ronny Lyle. In his old age he gave Holyfield a tough fight when he shouldn't have even been in the ring at 40+. Won the title again in his old age KOing Moorer. His old version still beat Gerry Cooney.

20. Willie Pep - greatest defensive fighter of all time. beat Saddler, Blair, and multiple other top level boxers.

21. Jack Johnson - he did duck Langford after beating him, but he still whipped top guys like Jeffries, Fitzsimmons (the only other man to do what RJJ did going from MW to HW), Burns, Ketchel. And he fought in a bare knuckle era so he had to deal with taking more punishment. Despite his ducking, the fights that he didn't duck make his career better than Manny and Floyd's by a long shot.

22. Harry Greb - only man to beat Tunney. Ducked by Dempsey. beat Micky Walker and Wille Meehan. Floyd is 45-0 in his whole career. Harry Greb was 45-0 in one year alone. And he didn't fight all bums in that year like Floyd has.

23. Pernell Whitaker - he did have a lot of weak opposition but theres a few things he has that put him above. He had much better defense than Floyd - and thats not a knock on Floyd. Pernell was just that good. He crushed Oscar when Oscar was in his prime and Pernell was near the end. Old Pernell did much better against prime Oscar than a prime Floyd did against an old Oscar. He also beat Vasquez and Azumah Nelson (2 guys that don't get respect because they were more substance than name value), and beat Chavez easy. Chavez was overrated, but the manner in which Pernell crushed him is unbelievable and the manner in which he beat Chavez is enough to put him high. Pernell beating Chavez is more impressive than Oscar beating Chavez, because Chavez was still undefeated when Pernell whipped him.

24. Tiger Flowers - wins over Micky Walker, and multiple wins over Greb. More notable than any of Floyd's wins

25. Barney Ross - wins over Canzoneri, Ceferino, and McLarnin. Far more notable than Floyd and Manny's best wins over Marquez, washed up Oscar, Cotto, etc

26. Mickey Walker - wins over Britton and Flowers far more notable than any of Floyd's wins.

27. Gene Tunney - Tunney is overrated because the majority of his career he fought a lot of bums. But so did Floyd - if they weren't bums, they were padded records,also overrated, or washed up fighters. Because Tunney and Floyd are both overrated, Tunney's wins over Greb, Jeff Smith, Gibbons, and Dempsey are more notable than Floyd's career of even weaker opposition.

28. Joe Gans - Did fight a lot of bums but his notable wins are greater than Manny and Floyd's - Dobbs, Elbows Mcfadden, Steve Crosby, etc.

29. Benny Leonard - Same thing as Gans - beat Britt, Welsh, Kilbane, Britton

30. Bob Fitzsimmons - looks are deceiving. Other than RJJ he is the only guy to go from middleweight to the heavyweight title. Big wins over Peter Maher and Philly Jack O Brien. People make a big deal of Manny's weight climbing against paper champions and this guy went from middle to heavyweight.

 

Good original thread.

Ask Bob when the stadium will be done and ask him to stop making 100 excuses to dodge Money.

 

Stop trying to explain yourself. These dudes are lost and hopeless. Don't even argue I know you're right, anyone with eyes knows you're right. Just leave it alone.

 

31. Jimmy McLarnin - beat Canzoneri, Glick, Benny Leonard and Barney Ross. notable wins are greater than Manny and Floyd's

32. Tony Canzoneri - beat Bill Petrolle, Kid Chocolate, Klick, Dublinsky - all bigger wins than Manny and Floyd's wins.

33. Jake Lamotta - Raging Bull is one of the most overrated films ever made. But Lamotta beat the GOAT once, Cerdan, Zivic multiple times, and Basora. If you think any of Manny and Floyd's wins are even close to on par with an Marcel Cerdan or undefeated Sugar Ray Rob you are delusional.

34. James Toney - finished the underrated and undefeated prime Michael Nun, beat Mike McCallum, went from middleweight and should have won the HW title if it wasn't for a failed drug test. Regardless - skills pay the bills, not drugs, so that doesnt diminish his HW accomplishments. Even though Evander was old when James TKOd him, it is still impressive coming from a middleweight. Meanwhile Floyd is unwilling to fight Sergio at 154 (Canelo doesnt count - Canelo was there just to sell ppv and be the face of Golden Boy, not to be a good fighter, which he isn't).

35. Carlos Monzon - another extremely overrated fighter with 90% of his career full of no names. But Floyd and Manny are also overrated with around the same level of weak competition, so when looking at them from an equally overrated point of view, Monzon's wins over Griffith, Benvenuti, Mundine, Moyer are better than Manny Floyd's best wins.

36. Emile Griffith - also overrated, but his wins over Rodriguez, Benvenuti, Tiger, and Archer outclass Manny and Floyd's weak wins.

37. Jack Dempsey - undersized HW who beat guys like Meehan, Willard, Gunboat, Morris, Brennan, Miske, Carpentier, Firpo, Sharkey - all better than Floyd and Manny weak wins

38. Gene Fullmer - Mueller, past prime Sugar Ray Rob, Turner, Flanagan, Castellani, Humez all better wins than Manny and Floyds

39. Kid Gavilan - Beau Jack, Castellani, Ike Williams enough good wins to rank over Floyd

40. Jose Napoles - wins over Garcia, Gutierrez, Vasquez, Urbina, Hernandez, Cokes, Menetrey are better

41. Marcel Cerdan - Copy pasting a guys record is not a good way to tell their skill (especially with Manny and Floyd) - but this guy had only 4 losses (2 DQ) in 15 yrs and 115 fights. 100% guaranteed if Floyd or Manny had to fight that often against Cerdan's level of competition they would have more than 4 - especially since they lost to guys like Morales Marquez and Castillo who is not as good a fighter as these guys that Cerdan beat - Delannoit, Dick Turpin, Zale, Holman Williams

42. Eder Jofre - Gomez, Lopez, Jimenez, Jamito, Caraballo, Medel, Calwell, better wins

43. Sandy Saddler - Brady, Pep x3, Keery, Acevedo, LaSane, Freeman better wins

44. Young Corbett III - Conn, Dick Foster, Burke, Glen Lee, Frank Britt, Mickey Walker, Jack Fields all better wins

45. Billy Conn - Dundee, Yarosz, Corbet III, Apostoli, Krieger, Bettina, Lesnevich, Zale are better wins

46. Bobo Olson - Gavilan, Turpin, Castellani, Langlois, Maxim, Giambra better wins

so Floyd and Manny rank at 47-48 with Floyd being higher than Manny since Manny lost to Morales and Marquez, whereas Floyd only lost to Castillo.

 

not this guy again

 

that was a copy and paste article written on jan 2011, from a source earlier than that.

 

Then why copy it unless you have an agenda? :deal Stop being a lying sack of **** and be honest. I know you're anonymous because it's the Internet, but try to be a real man and act like it. Thanks.

Edit: Why are you copying and pasting? Can't come up with your own thoughts? Because you know DAMN WELL Pacquiao has weighed more than 145 on fight night. Don't act all innocent. (i.e More lying)

 

To claim that Pacquiao or Floyd are in the top 45 p4p only shows one's own neophytism when it comes to boxing

 

Sorry cannot agree with that.I would favour Floyd if they fought now but back in 2010 when the fight should have happened Pac would have been the favourite and IMO would have beaten Floyd.

Mayweather snr knew it hence whispering in his sons ear and smearing Pacquiao with no evidence.The Mayweathers disgraced the sport of boxing because they knew there was a guy out there who could take Floyds precious "0".Rather than fight him they smeared him as a drug cheat and that was unforgivable.

Floyd said himself he didn`t want to die or be disabled in the ring and that he was proud to be a rich coward.

 

Freddie will have to stop it before the 11th round