The "All Things Mayweather/Pacquiao" Express!!!!!!

did you not see the source posted on top?? i did not claim it was mine, i posted the date, didn't bother to check current fight weight at that time.....and i really don't care what the fcuk you think.

 

i'll just pull you up on number 1 hey.
joe louis was noted as fighting a bum a month club,mayweather and pac get slated when they fight champions.
even the fighters you mention as his stand out wins,baer ha watch him fight,he is ****ing useless he fights like a kid on the street,he was tough yes hit hard yes but put him in with any world class fighter since and he would get destroyed.braddock made his name beating baer so thatexplains that,conn was a light heavyweight who schooled louis till he got caught.schmelling was a decent heavyweight as was walcott but nothing more than that.
now lets say barerra atg morales atg dlh atg marquez atg etc if u debate any of these fighters are atg you cant deny they will be hall of fame,
i cant be arsed going thru the rest of the absolute shite u have posted because it has took me long enough to pull you on number 1 and you obviously know **** all

 

I've been boxing for over 30 years, I understand the game very well. Bob arum is the only reason (and pacs steroid use) this fight hasn't happend

 

YOU know damn well Pacquiao has weighed more than 145 on fight night. Stop pretending to be innocent. :rofl You were caught trying to LIE, and now you're blaming the author. **** you dude. You're not even a man. A real man admits when he is wrong. :deal

Also - If you're not going to check the accuracy of something you copy/paste, why the **** should anybody ever listen to your ignorant, lying, piece of **** ass? Exactly..... Just remember: You just admitted to taking something from the Internet, and posting it here without checking the accuracy of the post.



Consider yourself served. I've seen your stupid ass troll posts many times before. So stop pretending that's not what you are. ******.

 

not even in the last few decades

 

Thats just what you did, use extremes.

Pac and Floyd are NOT extremely different though!

Floyd isnt some freak like Williams. Hes not 6'1 with a reach like a Klitschko.

He is marginally taller with a marginal advantage in reach, and they both weigh the same.

That is not worthy of a "size advantage"

But eight in boxing IS the most important criteria.

David Tua has a shorter reach and is overall shorter than Celstine Caballero. Would you put them in the same ring together? Of course not, Tua would literally kill him.

Weight is by far the more important criteria when it comes to size in boxing.

Bradely/Prime Williams, would be a lot more competitive than
Hopkins/Prime Williams, even though Williams is as tall and has a longer reach than Hopkins.

Theres a reason why boxing is defined by weights and not height/reach

 

Everybody who has actually boxed (for eg listen to mallignaggi's view) believes that what manny fought cotto he was on peds. It's not smear it's basic fact.

 

he weighed 145 on fight night against hatton, i thought he was basing it at that time...fcuk you too.

 

Sure you did. How does it feel to be a liar with no integrity? You just copied and pasted something from early 2011 (your own words), without checking its accuracy. (Again, your own words)

Yea, you're not a biased piece of ****. :roll:

FYI, Because you're obviously a complete moron: That Hatton fight was in 2009.... 5 years ago.

 

Pacman is at best top 20, and Floyd at best top 45. Top 10? Do people know how great being top 10 in the whole sport is? What that takes?

 

so name me 10 fighters that achieved more in the past couple of decades then

 

Let's look at Floyd's "noteworthy" wins, none of whom are all time greats

1) Genaro Hernandez - never beat en elite fighter in their prime EVER. When he beat Azumah, Azumah was a shell of his former self.

2) Diego "padded record" corrales - a bum who never beat a notable fighter and got showed up by Castillo clottey and casamayor. Paper champion. Did not beat an elite fighter EVER. The fact that he was rated above Floyd, Hopkins, Lennox, Roy Jones in 2001 proves that he is extremely overrated and for this reason people perceive Floyd's victory as noteworthy when it is not. And I don't care if Lennox lost in 2001 he was still better than Corrales could hope to be.

3) Arturo "punching bag" gatti - before rios was the punching bag u had gatti who was an exciting boxer but nothing more than a walking punching bag and never beat anyone. Micky Ward was never an elite fighter, just an exciting punching bag. Ward does not count as a notable win aside from the excitement value of the fight.

4) Jose L Castillo - a guy who was never an elite fighter and still managed to beat floyd bumweather in the first fight but got robbed by the judges. Showed up Floyd and exposed him as a fighter who is only good at fighting his own fight and why he'd get crushed by Guys like Duran Armstrong Leonard hearns Langford Walker Smith Pernell and more. No excuses about Floyd's shoulder can be used. Holyfield fought a good fight vs Moorer with a hurt shoulder and roy jones beat bernard hopkins EASY with a broken right hand. If Floyd wants to hold a candle to those guys the my shoulder hurts excuse can't be used. Yes floyd did win the second fight, but the fact remains he got showed up by a good but not great fighter in Castillo. Castillo is certainly not an all time great and beating him does not propel you into the all time great ranks. Losing to this guy definitely hurts your stock.

5) Zab undisputed paper champion Judah - not a true undisputed champion. Got crushed by guys like Cory spinks and kosta tzyu. Even lost to Baldomir. Avenging a loss against Spinks is not notable because there should not have been a need to avenge it in the first place. Funny thing is even a joke like Judah was dominatin the first 4 rounds (knocking down Floyd) before he ran out of gas. Judah NEVER beat a great boxer EVER in his entire career.

6) Carlos "Basura" Maldomir - no notable wins or skill. Zab Judah is not a notable win. Gatti is a punching bag and nothing more. Baldomir had his 15 minutes of fame from beating Judah/Gatti and that was it. Paper champion like the vast majority of Floyd's title fight opponents.

7) Ricky fatten hatton - like his overrated countryman calzaghe (who was gifted a W vs hopkins) he fought against no names his whole career and had a padded record. Malignaggi does not count as a good win - and that's the best guy Hatton beat. No technique no chin for hatton and a meaningless W like almost all of Floyd's wins. The fact that he was rated high on the p4p list only shows how sheep are quick to follow the herd when they have no knowledge of boxing. Most pound for pound rankings are a popularity/marketability contest these days and do not accurately reflect true skill.

8. Oscar de la fishnet - another overrated fighter who was gifted wins over sturm and Whitaker, and almost every time he fought an elite fighter got crushed - look at what happens EVERY TIME he fights top level guys. Mosley (lost twice, tough decision in fight 2) Hopkins (KO) pacquiao (TKO) Whitaker (robbery) Trinidad (3 rounds of running - not something a true champion would do) Sturm (robbery). Oscar must have had Sven Ottke as his mentor with the number of gifted decisions he got. Padded record like Floyd making a career of beating bums like Vargas Chavez Camacho and Ricardo "one hit wonder" Mayorga. Yes Chavez is a bum he made a career of fighting cab drivers (as did Camacho) and was lucky to survive Meldrick Taylor. And Oscar actually gave the "great" Floyd may weather problems and a competitive first 8 rounds before gassing like Zab SuperWack Judah. Pathetic. Oscar has the fake clean cut image and the money but thats about it since his boxing alone could not make him a star. Extremely overrated and not a notable win for a supposedly all time great.

9) Marquez - this everyone has to admit was a masterful performance by mayweather. Amazing defense reflexes and accurate counterpunching. Marquez never did anything the whole fight and couldnt get on the inside. Amazing technical brilliance by mayweather. But Marquez is the only legit prime fighter on Floyd's resume. Plus - outside of Marco Antonio Basura and Manny Wackquiao - who has marquez beaten? Undersized and tailor made for Floyd like rios for pacquiao. Marquez is a great win and a good fighter but lets not blow this win out of proportion. Beating Marquez alone does not put you in the all time ranks. Even Tim Bradley Freddie Norwood and Chris John beat Marquez. Marquez nunca seria con los mejores en boxeo y nunca podria ser. I advise every non-Spanish speaking person reading this flawless masterpiece to learn Spanish since they will be missing out on wisdom of the highest degree.

10) Shane Mosley - Floyd likes to criticize other fighters for fighting leftovers when 90% of his fights are leftovers. Mosley was Vernon Forrest and winky wright leftovers by the time he got to floyd. Old gassed and not as explosive or fast as in his prime. Despite that he nearly knocked out Floyd and crushed his supposedly Whitaker-like defense in the first 2 rounds before - again - gassing like all of floyds past prime opponents. Mosley did beat Margacheato and Mayorga prior to smashing Floyd's face in during the second round, but it is evident from Mosley's lack of activity in the next 10 rounds that he wasn't the same Shane that whipped Overrated De la Fishnet.

11) Miguel cotto - great fighter. Unfortunately he was margacheato and pacquaios punching bag before he got to Floyd. Despite being past his prime he showed up Floyd for 4 rounds and who knows how a prime cotto would have done. The "impregnable" defense of mayweather didn't seem so unstoppable when Floyd's face was cut up like the deer I killed a few weeks ago. Again, Floyd's hypocrisy is exposed as he criticizes other fighters for fighting leftovers.

12) Victoria Ortiz - never should have been in the ring to begin with. got crushed by maidana and beat another overrated guy in berto. After he headbutts Floyd and gets what he deserves with a knockout - yes what Floyd did is justifiable 100% since it was legal and Ortiz fought dirty in the first place - we again saw the fake paper champion and how weak he is when he quit against Lopez. Ortiz was basically a tune up fight like Bowe vs Ferguson it means literally nothing.

13) Robert Guerrero - like Ortiz. Beat a bum in berto and lost to guys like salido while also lying to a ringside doctor in his fight vs Yordan about the seriousness of his cut so he could get away with a no contest. The nickname of Ghost suits him since he disappears against guys he can't fight (Salido, Yordan) No notable wins. Padded record just like floyd and his competition. Like Ortiz, this win is worthless. Apparently, beating Berto is enough to get you a fight against a supposedly "all time great" fighter.

14) Canelo "basura" Alvarez - Canelo no sabe cómo pelear el solamente ganó contra bums como trout Maldomir y un Mosley viejo. No se porque los Mexicanos estaban pensando que canelo tenia una opportunidad ser "el one". Canelo no sabia que estaba haciendo en el ring y nunca vencio a un gran campeon (Mosley era viejo al tiempo que el perdio). In summary Canelo is a bum and another meaningless W. Barely beating Austin Trout who got exposed in the fight after does not make you a notable opponent. Again, if you dont know how to speak Spanish then learn it because you are missing out on some flawless wisdom of the highest degree.

15) Maidana - good fighter. Not at an elite level though and a win over him will not put Floyd among the greats. Has been easily outboxed by technical guys before. Venciendo a Maidana no será mucho.

 

Let's look at Pacquiao's "noteworthy" fights, starting with Barrera. Before Barrera, Pacquiao had not fought any notable fighters.

1) Marco Antonio Basura - Barrera was a good fighter but 2 wins over him don't make you an all time great. He beat the overrated and padded record Naseem Hamed + Johny Tapia, and Morales x2, then he lost to Junior Jones, and Morales. Good resume, but not anything shocking. This is a good accomplishment but not enough to consider Pac one of the best ever. Don't confuse name value with actual substance.

2) Marquez - in the first 2 fights, the fights were extremely close and regardless of who you think won those fights (that's a discussion for another day) Pacquiao did not CONVINCINGLY win those fights. Considering Pacquiao had 3 knockdowns in the first fight that is really shameful he could still not convincingly win that fight. The third fight Marquez put a whipping on Pac and obviously the 4th was the clearest of all 4 contests. What is undeniable is that Marquez beat Pacquiao a lot more clearly than vice versa. Marquez is a good fighter but do not blow his value out of proportion. Outside of Barrera and Pacquiao he has not beaten any notable fighters, and even lost to Chris John and Norwood. Casamayor is not a notable fighter

3) Overrated De La Hoya - Oscar is one of the most overrated fighters of all time, more so than Pacquiao or Mayweather.
Look at what happened to Oscar every time he fought a notable opponent. Pernell Whitaker (gift decision) Trinidad (running away for 3 rounds - not the quality of an elite fighter) Shane Mosley (2 whippings) Sturm (gift decision) Hopkins (knockout) Floyd (clearly lost and still gifted the win on one judge's scorecard). Oscar must have learned from Sven Ottke on how to get the judges on your side.
Chavez is not a notable opponent because he has a padded record with his biggest wins being Haugen, Camacho, and Meldrick Taylor - none of whom are elite fighters. Oscar has more name value and marketability than he has skill, so for Manny to beat Oscar in the last fight of Oscar's career is not notable.

4) Ricky Fatten Hatton - always overrated to begin with. More name value and marketability than skill. Biggest win was Paulie Malignaggi - a can. Beating an old Kosta Tzyu and Castillo is not notable. The fact that Ricky was rated so high on the pound for pound list at one point is a testament to how sheep quickly follow the herd instead of using their own common sense. Most pound for pound rankings are a popularity/marketability contest these days and do not accurately reflect true skill.

5) Miguel Cotto - good fighter but not all time great. Was already destroyed by Margacheato by the time he got to Manny. Outside of a deteriorating Shane Mosley he didn't beat top level guys. (Margarito was fading, Mayorga is basura, Judah and Malignaggi are paper champions)

6) Joshua Clottey - definition of a tomato can

7) Margacheato - already been through wars with Cotto, and had been previously exposed as a solid but not great fighter by Mosley, Williams, and Santos.

8. Shane Mosley - in his prime was a good fighter but he was faded when he fought Manny after his fights with Vernon Winky and Cotto.

9) Bradley - Pac won that fight. But Bradley is definitely not a great fighter, and beating him doesn't put you in the all time ranks. Squeaked by Provodnikov, beat an old Marquez. his wins over Alexander and Peterson are not notable.

10) Brandon Rios - a punching bag. tailor made for Pacquiao.

11) Erik Morales - outside of Pac and Barrera didn't beat anybody, and he lost to Barrera twice. Manny did avenge his loss to Morales but regardless beating Morales doesnt make you an all time great

Now keep this in mind - saying those past and future opponents have belts doesn't mean anything. John Ruiz was a champion but not exactly an elite fighter. Also saying stuff like oh Ricky Hatton/Barrera etc was rated such and such on the p4p list at the time doesn't prove anything. At one point overrated Oscar was the number 1 p4p ahead of guys like Roy Jones and Holyfield while other fighters like Hamed + Tapia were ahead of Lennox Lewis. Now that Golden Boy is in charge of Ring Magazine the p4p rankings show extreme bias towards certain fighters. (putting Canelo in the top 10 p4p and listing him as the lineal 154 champ before Floyd beat him). Most pound for pound rankings are a popularity/marketability contest these days and do not accurately reflect true skill. Obviously modern rankings are not reliable. Copy pasting rankings/records/statistics proves nothing if you don't put them in context. Doing so will not make paper champions (Hatton/Rios/Oscar) appear more legitimate.

Also keep in mind - records don't mean everything - Brian Nielsen 64-3, rocky Marciano 49-0 joe calzaghe 45-1 (the Hopkins win was a robbery), Ricky hatton 45-3 better records statistically compared to guys like evander 44-10-2, Ali 56-5, roy jones 57-8, b hopkins 54-6-2 even though they couldn't hold a candle to these fighters. Manny's record is padded just like Floyd's, and does not legitimize Manny as a top 40 pound for pound fighter.

What has been written is UNDISPUTABLE FACT. Not opinion. I challenge any human being on earth to try and find fault with the flawless wisdom (of the highest degree humanly possible) that has been written.

 

what is 8 weight world champion not enough.or floyds 5or 6 weights,undefeated,no one close to being good enough to beat him,rarely even takes a punch let alone get beat.is that just not that great in your eyes

 

if he is so good he would have fought everyone and not handpicked. Floyd is such a smart guy, he knows there is weakness in his skills so he handpicks a little. Floyd is the one who knows what his limitations are.