The "All Things Mayweather/Pacquiao" Express!!!!!!

rell84 · Apr 13, 2014

dat boi floyd always been da truth would punish ANY VERSION of pacquiao FACT

Pimp C · Apr 13, 2014

box4life11 said: ↑

There's a reason why mayweather is not interested and i can assure you it has nothing to do with a 90 year old Arum
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Do you like to say stupid **** like this just to be heard? Arum has a long history of standing in the way of big fights he wouldn't let pbf fight Oscar he didn't make gamboa Lopez even though both were signed with top rank. Keep it real man.

dangerousity · Apr 13, 2014

mrjotatp4p said: ↑

Lmao @ you. Dude Bradley lunged in and missed his right. Both guys are squared up on the ropes. Manny is punching, barely moving his feet and Bradley is attempting to bob and weave and not even keeping his eyes on Manny. Off the ropes Manny lunges with that right left combo he throws leaving his feet and Bradley is bobbing and weaving. The momentum of Manny lunging and Bradley ducking is why Manny ended up behind him. Not great footwork.

He lost track of Manny bc his head is down and his eyes are off Manny. Bradley is the reason he twist his ankle bc neither guy was using this great foot work in that sequence. :deal ILLWILL even stated a few post up that he was off balance and a bit awkward. Both of them too.
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So that's twice now Bradley has had foot problems in his career. Still think it has nothing to do with what Manny is doing?

Lady Girl · Apr 13, 2014

floyd likes guys who are passive like canelo who dont throw many punches and are flat footed. pac is neither of that. he will be moving all the time throwing punches and countering floyd when he starts to unload his right hand. at the end pacs offense will beat his defense since floyd relies on his defense too much. floyd will pot shot while pac throws a flurry of punches. judges look for the aggressor, the one who brings the pressure. the judges will favor pac since he will be he one bring the pressure while floyd stands back and pot shot

leone25 · Apr 13, 2014

Yes. styles makes fight.. Floyd knows pac's style is nightmare for him

HeavyweightCP · Apr 13, 2014

rell84 said: ↑

dat boi floyd always been da truth would punish ANY VERSION of pacquiao FACT
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no

Stovepipe · Apr 13, 2014

of course he CAN beat him, its possible. of course its possible.

HeavyweightCP · Apr 13, 2014

Bradley would lose by a close rough UD

Pimp C · Apr 13, 2014

dangerousity said: ↑

A past it Oscar took Floyd to a split decision. Pretty sure Pac has the skills to beat him depending on how both adjust to each other. I can see scenario where Floyd shuts Pac out, and I can see a scenario where Pac wins clearly too. It really depends on how both adjusts to each other strengths and weaknesses.

I believe Floyd is the more versatile fighter, but its not that easy to adjust to Pac. Fighters usually need a rematch to get used to the shocking speed, angles and power.
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Just stop that wasn't a split decision so stop trying to act like it was pbf won that fight clearly it wasn't close. You lose credibility when you say stuff like that.

Stovepipe · Apr 13, 2014

Yes Manny is great for boxing.

MVC! · Apr 13, 2014

Pimp C said: ↑

Just stop that wasn't a split decision so stop trying to act like it was pbf won that fight clearly it wasn't close. You lose credibility when you say stuff like that.
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You speak as if he had any to begin with. :rofl

The dude is a certified *******, an annoying/delusional ****. :-((

rodney · Apr 13, 2014

BoxingX said: ↑

WHY PACQUAIO WOULD BEAT MAYWEATHER IF THE FIGHT WAS TO EVER HAPPEN........For the people who didn't see it, this is an old post I made a while back that I had to dig up since one of Mayweather's biggest hypemen decided to call me out on this fight, so here's the reasons WHY I believe Pacquaio would beat Mayweather if they ever fight. You can take what you want from it but this is what I believe would happen from a logical standpoint after my observation of the styles of both fighters.
I feel that people are discrediting Marquez's win by equating him to Mayweather and basically generalizing with the concept that Manny would get beaten by any elite counter-puncher, including Floyd, by default. I have to say that people are harshly ignoring the nuances of the game by continually equating Marquez and Floyd without looking at the subtle but absolutely key aspects of their tactical profiles.

They are completely different fighters who set up their counters completely differently.
First off, the key for Marquez against Pacquiao has always been his constant lateral movement. Not only does he constantly sway at a low center of gravity while rotating away from Pac's left, but he pivots out of range and changes the angle after landing an attack, or even in the middle of an exchange, to completely confuse Pacquiao and take away his ability to take the initiative with his amazingly swift footwork. He does this so much so that in the second half of the fight of their third fight, he caught Pacquiao with a left hook pretty much behind the head because of how he was able to laterally shift away from an oncoming Manny.

Mayweather on the other hand is a more conventional "slick" counter-puncher who relies on his control of distance to anticipate and neutralize his opponent. While he's brilliant in reading his opponent and measuring his own punches against their own, he usually does this either going straight backwards or straight forwards, with efficient footwork. He has habituated himself to fighting in straight lines in order to land his favorite punches; lead right hands, pull-counters, jabs to the body, counter or lead left hooks, or counter-right uppercuts when swarmed. But one thing Mayweather almost never shows is the type of lateral movement Marquez shows. I can point to the De La Hoya and Cotto fights (which I thought he barely won) for evidence of this habit. De La Hoya(past it) and Cotto(shopworn), while still game, had an offensive gameplan that relied a lot on mere feints and swarms of activity to back Floyd up, and they usually did so with no problem. Even after Mayweather adjusted to the rhythm and started winning rounds, he hardly ever looked impressive and was backing up consistently without ever shifting towards a laterally-minded gameplan. Wouldn't that have made things easier for him instead of constantly giving up the center and having to retreat to the ropes to counter before escaping? Someone with the style of Hopkins (as in VS Pavlik), for example, would prefer such tactics, and Floyd seems to prefer seeing his opponent right in front of him, positioning himself right in front.
This comfort zone does not appear to be a preferred strategy for someone who can rotate so quickly and match Floyd speed for speed with plenty of pop behind it.

This leads into my second point, which is that Marquez's movement allows him to get Pacquiao on the inside and punish him. As an in-the-pocket counter-puncher, Marquez can duck under and find himself body-to-body with pacquiao and take advantage of his unpolished inside game. Uppercuts, combinations, and even spots of controlled aggression (before pivoting out) are something that he can do because of his relatively similar size to Pacquiao.

Now, while people point to Mayweather's reach giving Pacquiao issues, I don't believe he'll be able to use it to control Pacquiao if he shows his regular movement. Floyd's accurate and reflexive, but his defensive stance by nature anchors his back foot to the canvas, and allows someone as fleet-footed as Pacquiao to change the punching angle and capitalize for an offensive opportunity with a swarm of combinations.
Fighting in straight lines is not the way to beat Pacquiao; you have to take away the punching angle, and I don't think at all that Floyd can circle as well as he can back-pedal.(Timothy Bradley even shows better lateral movement than Mayweather does).

On top of all of this is tempo. While Marquez was able to control pace from time to time, he was still able to fluidly exchange with Pacquiao and see the angles in order to time the better shots while rolling with Pac's own. Mayweather, as skilled and tough and intuitive as he is, has not shown this quality in abundance. The times he's been hurt actually, have been times he's over-committed to his own punches (Corely, Judah, Mosley). He can adjust brilliantly round-to-round, but as controversial as it may sound, I feel he lacks this sort of intangible fluidity Marquez has in his approach. Floyd can counter for 3 rounds and then come forward for 7, while Marquez can switch between momentary aggressor and counter-puncher several times within the same round.

Mayweather's great ability still makes the fight competitive but don't think for a second that Pacquiao's own skills and physical gifts are a puzzle easily solved by a majority of elite boxers that necessarily bunch both Mayweather and Marquez together.

Styles (NOT labels) make fights, and Marquez and Mayweather are nearly night and day when it comes to applying their craft. And Pacquaio is all wrong for him if this fight ever takes place and I think Mayweather see's all the things that I've mentioned in scouting Pacquaio which is why he's been so hesitant on taking fight and it will never happen.

:deal
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Your really trying hard to make us believe that DOG**** is ICECREAM.

retriever · Apr 13, 2014

3 years ago....YES by K.O.

Now i favor Floyd by close decision BUT Floyd mayweather himself don't believe he can beat Pacquiao thats why he is avoiding Manny Pacquiao at all cost.

MVC! · Apr 13, 2014

Floyd knocks him out any version vs any version.

retriever · Apr 13, 2014

Fighter of the decade.

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