Who was mismanaged worse, David Reid or Fernando Vargas?

Neither. They both reached their maximum irregardless of Trinidad, a good fighter but no where near the best of his generation.

 

Vargas

Reid needed cashing out and that's what his team did IMO. Vargas could have achieved more, though he too would have had a short career at the top regardless

 

Both were well managed, both got great early career cashout deals

Reid was very lucky, to give him credit he actually fought till the bitter end...and had Tito hurt couple of times

Vargas lost a good fight, as the tradition goes DLH gave Tito opponents another payday...So Vargas got another big payday :hellohi

 

Vargas was rushed.

 

:-(

Both were rushed. Vargas was what, 20? He should not have even been NEAR Trinidad until maybe 22-24.

 

In a financial aspect, yes, they were managed well...but still, what could have been if they weren't fed to the lions? Vargas' career would have lasted MUCH longer. The guy was SHOT by 25. That Trinidad beating took a lot out of him.

 

The eye was a big issue either way for Ried with or without the Tito fight.

 

Vargas was a very mature, well-rounded fighter at a young age. He wasn't some raw prospect when he fought Tito; he'd beaten Quartey and Winky Wright and had a ring IQ that belied his years.

His weight problems and back injuries mean he was never destined to have a long career. Tito took a lot out of him but it wasn't an outrageous move to make the fight.

Reid was moved quickly because of his eye but he shouldn't have been anywhere near Tito at that point of his career. That fight completely ruined him and, even if his team felt he was going to have a short career, they shouldn't have thrown him to the wolves like that.

 

I agree Vargas wasn't a prospect, but he should not have fought Tito at 20. He had 20 fights for crying out loud. I think another 2 years would have done him some good, but hey, what do I know? I'm just a fan.

 

Vargas had the tools to be great. He just took a "macho" approach to thinks and paid for it. He could box, but always fought like he had something to prove

 

Vargas was the youngest Light-middleweight champion in history and people say he was badly managed :huh
You get stick for milking a title and now you get stick for fighting the best as well. It's a great thing to see a young fighter get fasttracked when he's good enough. Only a blood sucking manager would say something like this because they would have cashed out in more pointless meaningless one sided voluntary title fights. Fernando Vargas created history :deal

 

I doubt it would have mattered in the long run.

Vargas had turned things back in his favor against Tito in the 5th round by boxing and using angles, but Tito got to him late in the 6th with a right hand that turned the momentum back in Trinidad's favor. Vargas tried to box and use movement in the next couple rounds, and had some success, but was also taking good shots. Then in the 9th, he was backing up, and Tito hurt him with a straight right. The 9th is when Vargas tried to really stand toe-to-toe, and landed some good punches but took some more. Vargas was losing going into the 12th, so at least he tried to knockout Tito instead of being satisfied with just going the full 12.

He wasn't going to win against DLH by out boxing him. Plus Vargas had those serious back injuries. Not much he could do about that.

 

Vargas was not going to improve...you know how Mexican fighters gain weight as they age...I think his short career was amazing :toney

He went 2-2 vs Winky, Quartey, Tito & DLH...in his short prime vs those Elite boxers in their prime, that makes alot of top boxers look bad :yep

DLH fight........Last hurrah
Tito fight.........Manifesto
Winky fight......Gift
Quartey fight...Masterpiece

Nothing to regret...not sure who managed him...but they sure did an amazing job :thumbsup

 

If the guys who managed Vargas handled JCC jr career, with that Iron Chin and same S&C guy (forgot who that was)

JCC jr would be still as fat as he is now after firing everyone once he lost vs Martinez, except he would have atleast won belts early on in 147, 154, 160 & the hype would have been :scaredas:

Unfortunately daddy spoiled him early on..no one stimulated his fight or fight or fight chemistry with personality altering pressure :verysad