the jones jr debate.

I'm not disputing what happened against Hall.

I don't have a problem with that, and people questioning other victories etc.

The problem I have, is with the two statements that you've made, where you've said that he was dirty all of his career, including his win against Ruiz.

That is not a fact, it's only your opinion.

We're going around in circles.

There's really no point in taking this any further.


Do you want to debate anything else with regards to his career?

 

If RJJ fought a couple fringe guys at heavy and defended his belt, retired at 53-1, he'd be up there on the GOAT list...but he had to sabotage his career.

 

You can't undo what's already been done.

 

The fact of the matter is, Roy's ripped fuel excuse can't be disproven... There was not enough evidence against Roy for one bad test that proves he was juiced the whole time... It's all speculation. I have also read articles that said Jones and Hall both tested positive for Andro, which was sold over the counter... Indiana claimed they don't even know what roid it was because a second test was not taken for **** sakes. The whole thing was not taken care of the right way and Indiana should be flat out embarassed.

I am not getting into that debate again, but you don't need to be tossing your opinion around as a fact.

 

I know. Whoever managed him or was part of his team really ****ed him. He could have beaten any heavyweight not named Lewis or Klitschko.

 

why didn't roy jones become a cash cow like tyson, holyfield, and oscar?

 

im not tossing my opinion round as fact im tossing the fact that he was a steroid user around as fact.margarito got caught with the hand wrap issue against mosley.he got banned for cheating,people then say he did it against cotto because he beat him,is that fact,no,but he cheated until he got caught so when he started no one knows but all that matters is he is a cheat and should be branded as one,as should jones as should mosley as should a few others.funny how jones piled on loads of muscle to beat ruiz,lost it then went to **** isnt it? something smells fishy there to me also.but at the end of the day no one knows when he started cheating and if he didnt get caught cheating or should i say just didnt cheat,his greatness wouldnt be called into question,but he did cheat hence why all of his fights should be looked at as dubious,all his own doing nobody elses

 

You are tossing opinions around as facts.

How many more times?

You've stated that Roy was dirty his whole career, including his fight against Ruiz.

That is not factual.

Also, the majority of the guys on here who think Roy was dirty, are in agreement that in their opinion he stopped in 2000 after Hall. They're reasoning is, he wouldn't have been stupid enough to continue.

He actually had random tests after Hall, and everything was fine.

Also, Mackie Shilstone was responsible in getting Roy his physique for the Ruiz fight. Mackie's a well respected sports psychologist, nutritionist and trainer who's worked with many people including Michael Spinks.

Do some research.

With regards to Roy's loss to Tarver, you are being extremely ignorant.

Roy burnt actual muscle to drop from 196-175, when he was almost 35, after having fought 50 times.

Tarver was also a good fighter. Roy beat him in the first fight, and got caught by a great shot in the rematch.

So what was fishy about it?

Roy's run was always going to come to and at some point.

 

He would have been knocked out by 99% of the HWs at that time. Why do you think he picked Ruiz to fight for the WBA strap?

 

He was a 34 year old LHW by the time he'd got to HW. He went up late. After Ruiz, he wanted ridiculous money to stay there. When it wasn't available, he came back down. He walked away from a $10m Corrie Sanders fight. He didn't want to take that, when he'd been paid $15m for Ruiz.

Also, Roy is his own man and always has been. He's always done things his way.

 

LOL, so you think guys like Oquendo and an older Holyfield would have beat RJJ? atsch

 

I know he wanted ridiculous cash, and that is entirely his fault, but he should have reconsidered. He looked good at the weight and with some selective and efficient matchmaking, he could have defended that title a good amount of times. Personally, I don't think he would have taken the Sanders fight. A Holyfield fight would have been BIG and very winnable.

 

I think Corrie Sanders would have had a good shot at knocking him out.

Roy pulled out of a fight with post-coma Buster Douglas. What makes you think he'd want any part of Holyfield, even an old version of him?

 

Nothing smells fishy at all... Roy Jones hired Mackie Shilstone, the same guy that bulked Michael Spinks up to fight at HW.. Was that fishy too?atsch

 

Roy met with Holyfield at dinner to talk about a fight.. Holy declined... I belive 100% Roy would have fought Holyfield... He actually fought the guy who beat Holyfield... Had Holyfield had a belt instead of Ruiz, you can bet Roy would have fought him, I have no doubt.

But to your first statement, I think there would be a good chance for Sanders to KO Roy in the first few rounds... After that, Roy potshots him IMO.