The "All Things Mayweather/Pacquiao" Express!!!!!!

He had a couple moments in the early rounds, where he landed some good shots. Floyd adjusted, and Judah was nothing more than a punching bag for the last 8 rounds of the fight, with Floyd hitting him at will. The rounds he won in the beginning were by slim margins, the last 8 rounds he lost by huge margins, never being competitive for one minute of one round after the 4th. Floyd toyed with him, and punished him whenever he felt like it.

That's not a competitive fight at all. We have alot of revisionists on here with an agenda, that much is clear.

 

Do you not see the problem with your question? Your assertion that Pacquiao was number 1 when Floyd fought Mosley is based off of Ring Magazine rankings. Ring Magazine has Mayweather as their lineal champ at WW.

 

The sticky trb thread above does great job. Mcgrain said there is no lineal at welter....and it certainly ain't Floyd. I think we have a strong case that it's manny.

 

Canelo is slick :hey

 

Ring and true lineal are different things. Lineage has been using ring rankings for decades but since promotional company now owns ring, there is corruptive influence so that's why trb was introduced above - a number of select writers rank the fighters.

Only the number 1 and 2 ranked fighters can contest a vacant lineal throne.

 

No he refused at first because of all his stupidass superstitions and said he wouldn't take any tests within 30 days of the fight

 

Judah round won round 12? What punches did he land? That was the round Floyd backed up the ropes where he tauned Judah to come at him, while Judah hit air. Are you using HBO scoring here or something? Absolutely no reason Judah won round 12. Lets not pretend like he was making some late fight comeback, Mayweather was pissed about the low blow and rabbit punch, and was looking to land one big shot and knock Judah out. He spent the round taunting and ****ing with Judah, but still clearly won.

Judah had a couple good moments early in the fight, I gave him rounds 1, 2, and 4. He did absolutely jack ****, got toyed with, and dominated from rounds 5 till the end, Mayweather won the 3rd round too. If 117-111 where a guy is only remotely competitive for 4 rounds is a good performance to you, I don't know what to say.

Oh and Judah knocked him down? Dude, seriously? Mayweather came in off balance, was falling over, and got glanced at the same moment. Had he not been touched at all, he was falling over regardless. But I see, since a glove technically glazed his head, you want to call this a knockdown based off technicalities, right? This was ruled not to be a knockdown officially, unofficially it wasn't a knockdown either. The only time Floyd has received a count was from voluntarily putting his hand to the canvas against Genaro, after he shattered his hand.

 

Realistically, since Judah, how many slick fighters have existed in that division?

Please dont say Malignaggi :nut

 

Who cares, the fact is that when everything was signed. 50/50 was agreed to. Weight Pentalty, Glove Size, Ring Size, etc. The thing that held the fight back was testing from Pac's side. It's that simple.

 

Then why are you trying to use Ring Magazine rankings to establish Pacquiao's ranking? Furthermore, you say only the number 1 and 2 ranked fighters can contest a vacant lineal throne. You also mention TBR, and seem to now want to legitimize their standards. However, this thread was started by you and its premise goes against the number 1 vs. number 2 standard that you are championing in this post and which TBR champions.

 

I agree but if you look at it from the other way the testing was something new unlike today when fighters are starting to ask for random blood testing back then Pac was the first to to be subjected to these new tests and being accused of using roids on top of that anyway for me both sides are to blame really.

 

Floyd never hinted at Manny being on roids until after the negotiations were over.

 

Can someone tell when did Bradley a fighter that yells "C'mon" and stands in the corner and engages in these wild swinging brawls get labeled a "slick" boxer? Oh, I get it, he's black. And to Pacquiao fans this suddenly means he automatically Pernell Whitaker. So Clottey must have been a SRL clone.

WOW, This forum is...

 

This is an interesting question but if only #1-2 can fight for lineal then its still not Pac I would think between Pac-TB I, Pac-JMM IV, JMM-TB, Pac-TB II none of thoses are matches between #1&2, the closes would be JMM-TB but as was stated earlier how can #2 Marquez avoid #1 Mayweather and fight #3 for the title the legitimacy in that has to come into question.

P4P I'd put Bradley over a Guerrero but at the time of Mayweather-Guerrero the only thing Bradley had done at WW was beat a unranked JWW in Provodnikov and win robbery of the year(an actual thing) vs Pacquiao and Marquez had a loss to Mayweather, a robbery of the year loss(again actual thing) to Pacquiao, & a KO over Pac in part IV so Mayweather-Guerrero would still technically have more of a case for Lineal because at that point Guerrero was #3 and #2 Marquez refused to fight/rematch.

Bradley didn't really have a rating as top 2/3 until he beat Marquez by that time #2 Marquez had already turned down a rematch and a fight between #1-3 had already taken place

 

Somebody is living in Fantasy Land. Pacquiao and Bob Arum stomped away from negotiations, not Mayweather.

"The deal is dead!" - Bob Arum..... Contract with Joshua Clottey signed just a few days later.