Who do you think has the better LHW resume out of Jones and Hopkins?

They each have defeats at LHW as well.

Defeats are apart of a resume.

 

175 was a barren wasteland throughout roys reign, a division where fighters hid from the much tougher 168 division.

Note Hopkins moved straight from 160 to be the man at 175.

Note Calzaghe then moved straight from 168 to become the man at 175.

To give you an accurate reflection of the era at 160, 168, and 175 then the measuring stick is the career of Glencoffe Johnson.

 

hopkins and its not even close

 

apart or a part?

not nitpicking or being annoying but in this case, it really matters as it has 2 different meanings

 

Bailey,

Bernard deserves a huge amount of respect for the Tarver win, and for the fact that he's still fighting at almost 50. He also had a good win over Pascal, a very close fight with Joe, and one of his best performances was against Kelly Pavlik. Bernard was amazing that night, and he deserves enormous credit, even though it was at a catchweight and Pavlik hadn't fought that high before. But I think he badly let himself down with his antics against Roy and Dawson. People will also argue about his antics against Joe, which is fair enough, but I think that was because he didn't have the stamina to keep up the pace. But there was no excuse in the other two fights.

It would make a good debate, to see who ranks higher on the ATG list.

But quite frankly, the question that you've asked, is absolutely ridiculous in my opinion.


Let's look at Roy's best wins at LHW:


Roy easily beat Reggie Johnson, who although was past his best, wasn't shot.

He beat Del Valle who was a good fighter.

He was the only ever fighter to stop Hill, with a devastating 4th round body shot. Hill then went on to beat Tiozzo in a single round.

He knocked out a good fighter in Montell Griffin, who'd beaten Toney twice, with a LEAD uppercut. An amazing win. To knock out a guy with a lead uppercut in under three mins, is something special. Also note, that Toney went on to have good wins after losing to Griffin.

He beat Eric Harding who was a huge southpaw, who'd beaten Tarver.

He easily beat Julio Gonzalez, who went on to beat Dariusz M.

He gave an absolute hiding to Richard Hall, who went on to cause Dariusz M problems.

He toyed with Clinton Woods and made him look like a nobody.

Then he beat a highly motivated southpaw in Tarver, at almost 35, after dropping back from 196 pounds in a short space of time, after having fought 50 times.

He also beat David Telesco with a badly injured hand, and his famous 'hands behind his back' knockout of Glen Kelly.

Plus a good performance against Lacy at 40.


This simply doesn't even need debating.

 

Surely a joke?

 

"a part"

My bad.

I mean to say that losses are on a resume. They should be factored in whatever same manner they are for other fighters on their resume.

 

Hid from the much tougher 168 division?

Ha! Good one!


Go and check out the SMW division from late 96-2004 (Roy's reign)

It was one of the weakest divisions across all of boxing.

You can't even compare them.


Roy, Dariusz M, Virgill Hill, Montell Griffin, Reggie Johnson, Michael Nunn, Lou Del Valle, Eric Harding, Antonio Tarver, Roch etc.

Joe, Reid, Woodhall, Ottke, Liles, Brewer, Nardiello, Mitchell, Sheika, Eubank etc.


You're having a laugh.


If that's not a barren wasteland, I don't what is.


Those divisions weren't even close.

 

How can Head's post be accurate?


You can put who you want in the lists.

Head said the that SMW was stronger during Roy's reign.

Roy's reign was from late 1996 to mid 2004.

Add Kessler and Lacy if you want, it doesn't make any difference. (They'd hardly done anything at that point)

From 96-2004, LHW was definitely a stronger division, and your stats won't change that.

 

Roy Jones..almost never lost a round

 

Yes but Jones already held a win over Tarver before Hopkins got to him.

 

You're being ridiculous.

But if you're implying that the SMW division was stronger because Roy didn't fight DM, I think you meant to say, that SMW was more competitive.

Just because they didn't fight, it doesn't alter how strong the division was. So clear up for me exactly what you meant to say.


Just look at who fought where, from late 96 to mid 2004.

The divisions weren't even close.


How is a division containing theses fighters:

Joe, Reid, Woodhall, Ottke, Liles, Brewer, Kessler, Nardiello, Veit, Mitchell, Sheika, Lacy and Eubank etc.


as strong as a division that contained these fighters:

Roy, Dariusz M, Virgill Hill, Montell Griffin, Reggie Johnson, Michael Nunn, Lou Del Valle, Eric Harding, Antonio Tarver, Roch etc.


??


It's night and day.