If Quigg isn't a genuine world champ

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  1. Solaris

    Solaris Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Neither are Santa Cruz, Martinez or Figueroa.

    Who cares if they hold a supposed world title, it's diluted by the fact ALL of them would lose the title were they to face Rigo.

    Rigo is so far above the rest and they all are **** scared to face him. Frampton won't be a world champ either as he's currently ducking Rigo in search of an easier way to a "title".

    Same with Mayweather at 147, Ward at 168 and Wlad at heavyweight. Any one else with a title in those divisions is a fraud until they beat the best man in their weight class.

    Who cares about holding a belt? It's about being the best in your weight division.
     
  2. sharpy

    sharpy Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Your right. To be fair though people just need to learn the difference between a world title and the best in the division. Frampton has admitted he doesn't want to fight rigo as he wants to fight Santa Cruz and your right in saying that's an easier route. However he will still be a world champ, just not the best in his division
     
  3. Robney

    Robney ᴻᴼ ᴸᴼᴻᴳᴲᴿ ᴲ۷ᴵᴸ

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    Difference is, they actually won the title, beating their opponents (the beltholders) for it.
    While Quigg got the WBA's 2nd rate belt (Rigo is the real WBA champ) by drawing his opponent.
     
  4. BUSTER

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    No shame in that rigo one of the best fighters iv ever seen
     
  5. Rangersfan1982

    Rangersfan1982 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Exactly. Quigg situation is embarrassing to the sport. I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that the WBA were reviewing the regular tittle nonsense.
     
  6. Solaris

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    Is it any less embarrassing that Martinez being able to call himself a world champion when he isn't even close to being the best in the world?
     
  7. Robney

    Robney ᴻᴼ ᴸᴼᴻᴳᴲᴿ ᴲ۷ᴵᴸ

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    Sure, and that same situation can be said about almost every division's beltholders out there. But the circumstances make Quigg even less of a "world champion" as Martinez is. He isn't even a legit beltholder.
     
  8. sharpy

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    But surely he is until someone good enough bar rigo beats him
     
  9. Solaris

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    I dislike the whole thing. I love Paulie, but beating Senchenko to win a title at 147 was ridiculous when you consider the calibre of fighters at 147.

    Just find it pointless to give Quigg **** for it. Reality is a belt gives you bargaining power and the way he and his team went about getting one was smart. Doesn't make it right, but it worked for them.
     
  10. second to none

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    It's not the same FFS let me explain this to you simply, There are 4 major governing bodies in boxing the WBA, WBC, IBF, WBO. Each of these has a world title a person who in their view is the best in the world at a weight. Quigg is not considered by any of the 4 bodies to be number 1 he is 2nd in the WBA. Therefore he can not be considered the a world champion when governing body considered him to be the best. The debate your talking about is the whole thing of 1 world title ect, The Ring Magazine is in a way like that the holder of the Ring is really the "man" at his weight but being number 1 in either the WBA, WBO, IBF or WBC makes you a world champion IMO, Interem, Regular belts and the like are not world titles different argument than having 1 belt per weight class.
     
  11. sharpy

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    It doesn't make quigg any more or less of a fighter by having it it just enables him to earn money. Everyone knows that rigo is the king of the division. If people aren't happy then they should get themselves into mandatory position and try and take it off him
     
  12. Wilzo

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    Nevermind not being "the man" at the weight, Quigg isn't even the best WBA World Champion and that's why the paper belt jibe is aimed at him much more than the others. Not Quigg's fault necessarily but the situation is so ridiculous as the WBA don't even seem interested in making Rigo fight Quigg to decide who their number one is. They're happy having their 2 world champions at the one weight :patsch
     
  13. Tom Moore

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    Surely if you aren't the man at your weight, your belt basically says "I'm the champion of the portion of the world X doesn't inhabit".

    It's a sodding farce.
     
  14. gmurphy

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    My view is there are 4 major world boxing oganisations, WBA,WBO,WBC,IBF, each of them can have one world champion per division, making 4 world champions per divison. This regualar and interim world champion stuff is nonsense, pretty soon if people start considering these guys real world champions we will have 10 plus world champions per division. How Quigg got his 'world title' is embarressing though
     
  15. Solaris

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    If Frampton beats Santa Cruz is he a genuine world champion in your eyes?