If Quigg isn't a genuine world champ

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by Solaris, Apr 18, 2014.


  1. Geoffers

    Geoffers Active Member Full Member

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    There's only one world, so there can be only one world champion in a weight category. Other sports seem to comprehend this without too many problems but boxing has to have its trinkets.
     
  2. gmurphy

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    i agree but were stuck with 4 governing bodies, the least we can do is not recognise these 'regular' and 'interim' champions that will only make thing worse
     
  3. domjon

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    It's marginal if it is. Let's face it he has one good win in kiko. That was a good performance but he far from had it all his own way. munroe handled kiko well enough and quigg destroyed him so there is a clear formline, though obviously they can't Lways be taken literally.

    I'm a fan of both fighters and slightly favour Frampton at the moment if they were to meet but there seems an awful lot of double standards at the moment and quigg is getting a lot of unfair criticism imo for the paper belt, which lets face it is a nonsense.....but let's not pretend other fighters would have taken some moral high ground and refused to accept it
     
  4. gmurphy

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    The Munroe-Martinez was relitively close kiko won 4-5 rounds and Martinez was only 22 when that fight took place his improved since then, also the Munroe that fought Martinez was a lot better than the Munroe that faught Quigg. And that Quiggs best win, its equal to Framptons win over Molitor, and then Framptons wins over Kiko and Cázares are better than that so id give Frampton the clear edge in resume.

    Quiggs getting stick the same was Cleverly got stick when he was handed the title( a proper title in his case) and then fought below level competion(apart from Bellow) through out his reign. He wanted the Kovalev fight because beating him would have proved he was a worthy champion. The reason Quigg gets stick is because he was handed a bull**** paper title, draws against a guy who was supposed to be a soft touch and his two fights after that are against poor caliber world title challengers.
     
  5. domjon

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    Quigg's Munroe win is better than Molitor and Cazares imo, Molitor was shot to ****, Cerzares an aging superfly who clearly didnt fancy it. Its a bit early to be picking the bones out of their resumees already though but for me personally there's very little in it...some people seem to be suggesting Quigg aint worth Framptons time now and that he's in a different league...he may be but lets see him prove it first eh.

    Depends how you want to look at it doesn't it. Yes he got handed the title, a poison chalice if ever there was one, he was then unfortunate to get only a draw against what turned out to be a fairly decent opponent, took a gimme 'defence' barely 8 weeks later and is now facing a solid late replacement challenger in a fight that wouldn't be happening if Frampton hadn't turned down an offer to fight him. You can hardly compare it yet to Cleverlys reign of terror picking up vacant straps and defending against nobodies.
     
  6. domjon

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    the thing about the paper title I don't understand is...if everybody realises that it's a meaningless trinket, why the hell does everybody get so upset about it?
     
  7. Dibbs

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    It basically comes down to greed, the more 'titles' you have the more sanctioning fees you can impose. As someone mentioned Canelo called them out on it. All boxers would love to beat a World Champion, and this scenario of more 'titles' gives the lower tier fighters the chance to be world champions. Ultimately they get better pay days, but its not something that sits well. It used to be you became a champion by beating a champion, greed has changed all that, which is shame for the sport.
     
  8. ryuken87

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    Not only that, but how many other sports are there where the governing body doesn't always dictate who you have to fight/play? It's like Man Utd saying: "Man City and Liverpool are pretty good at the moment, we'll just play Fulham and Norwich instead".
     
  9. paddymickey

    paddymickey Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If I'm not mistaken Frampton said he wanted to fight Rigo after the Santa Cruz fight on I-film interview and with Boxnation also! It will turn about to be a duck if he doesn't fight him within next 3 fights. If the big money in the Santa Cruz fight is up for grabs I'd hardly call that a Duck. As for Quigg I don't think he holds the top WBA belt but yeh he is a world champ cause he has the regular wba belt. Either way the 122 division is looking hot right now and would be a great division for a super 6.
     
  10. Solaris

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    Allow me to break this down for you.

    Rigo is a world champion. If you beat him you get the honour of being able to call yourself a world champion. However Frampton and his team are too scared to fight Rigo as they know they'll lose.

    Despite being too scared to fight Rigo, they can go and fight someone else to beat and will still call themselves a world champion?

    What a joke.
     
  11. Southpawology

    Southpawology Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The difference is however.... Frampton does not run about shouting from the rooftops that he is the WBA world champion like Quigg

    It's almost like if Quigg and Smoking Joe say it enough on live TV they might even start to believe it themselves

    I read and article 2 days ago where Quigg said his best beats all others in the division so I don't see why he shouldn't be calling out Rigo to prove he is the WBA champ
     
  12. Solaris

    Solaris Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    He doesn't have a title to shout about. How about waiting until he does?
     
  13. Southpawology

    Southpawology Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This is a joke, Rigo should be consider the same as Floyd, if Frampton was a WW contender this conversation would not even be entertained... He's an 18 fight prospect going for his first title and ur trying to claim he's ducking an ATG?

    Mindblown.... I think u like the sound of ur own voice
     
  14. Solaris

    Solaris Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    If Brook wins the IBF title he's still not a true champ for me. How can you honestly tell everyone you're a world champ when there is someone in your same weight class who is vastly superior to you?

    You are basically conning people.

    Then again if you're going to con people you may as well choose the Irish to do so.
     
  15. BlackBrenny

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    The irony of talking up Quiggs Monroe win yet disparaging Framptons Molitor win because Molitor was shot, Monroe was hardly in his prime either

    Framptons wins over Hirales and Parodi > William Prado and Diego Silva (Parodi beat Prado)