the jones jr debate.

Roy Jones isn't even top 10 P4P all time.

 

In terms of natural athletic talent he is #1.

 

Resume? No for sure, there have been many more impressive resumes...

In terms of head to head ability, and what he could do in the ring? I have not seen anything like it...

I wouldn't pick anyone at 168 over Roy... Very few at LHW at his best, and MW as well..

Roy Jones is for sure in my top 10 P4P head to head fighters.

 

Hi mate, I can see why many people believe that Roy could have had a better career than he's had. There's lots of fights that never got made. But it's simply not true that he avoided lots of guys. The only guys he really avoided were Nunn and Collins. And in my honest opinion, he took on bigger challengers than those two would have brought. The guys he missed were really no better than the best guys that he fought.

Roy didn't need to duck any fighter out of a fear of losing to them.

 

But how many defences did he make?

A handful. Also, as I've shown you, he offered to fight Liles in that period. When fights with Benn and Liles didn't get made and he had no chance of unifying the division, he moved up to LHW.

Do you know what, I could have understood the criticism, if he'd have stayed at SMW and fought the same level of competition. But he didn't, he moved up and fought better fighters. Yet he was still criticised back then, as he is now. It seems that he was always in a no win situation.

 

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Jones must of been clean post Hall because a bunch of guys on a boxing forum thinks so?:huh

That's not even close to being true.

-Show me a quote from a actual medical source that says cutting muscle has long term affects. I'm willing to accept quotes from a doctor or a scientific study

 

Your getting Liles confused with Byrd.

Liles was a Showtime fighter. He wasn't a big name though. I doubt if he was getting more than 300k a fight. I do agree that there is no way Jones offered Liles anywhere near 1m. This is the same Jones that openly stated that Nunn was not allowed to make $600k

 

What kind of reasoning is this?

I said that was 'their' reasoning, their, as in the guys on here that think he was a cheat his entire career.

That's their view of things.


I'm assuming that the highlighted parts of your posts, are all in response to my reply to Madmanc on post 129?

If so, then where I've told him to do some research, is me telling him to look into the background of Mackie Shilstone.


But it's a fact that Roy burnt actual muscle to go from 196-174.

That can't be disputed. That's not merely an opinion, but an actual fact.

Now we know that fighters like Tommy Hearns moved up and down in weight without any problems.

But every fighter is different.

John Scully has posted on this forum and told us what a nightmare it was, when he tried to get Chad Dawson to 168 to fight Andre Ward in 2012.

 

Well it's odd that HBO backed him live on TV, and that O'Halloran said that they had a 'great' fight lined up, until Liles went back and wanted more money.

Why would O'Halloran have said that?

Anyway, have a good Easter weekend, and I'll reply back to you within the next few days. :good

 

Anyone who thinks Jones became a clean fighter after the Hall fight is deluding themselves.

Do you have a quote from a medical source that states there is long term effects from cutting muscle?

???????

Conveniently overlooking the fact that Chad Dawson was forcing himself to fight in a division he had outgrown. He had not fought at smw for something like 5 years. Jones did not outgrow the lhw division

 

Zod you got proof he was dirty ? From what I read he was tested for his next 3 fights after the Hall fight and came up negative


Here is in article from ring talk
When Roy Jones fought Richard Hall in Indianapolis, they both failed the drug test for steroids. Roy’s attorney sent me a letter saying he had used an over the counter supplement called “Ripped Fuel”. The test could only tell that he had an above normal amount of steroids, not if it was a supplement.
Regardless , he failed the test. After this fight, Indiana passed rules with penalties for failing a drug test. Roy took a drug test in his next three fights and submitted the results to the Indiana Boxing Commission. All three tests were negative.




And as far as cutting muscle ,you don't need to be a doctor to see the effects it had on Jones from HW to Ligtweight hell look at what it did to Tarver and how sluggish he was against Hopkins .

 

general zod,

You can think whatever you like.

Why do I need a quote from a medical source?

It appears that you are looking for an argument.

I've never mentioned anything regarding any effects.

Again, I advised Madmanc to look into the career of Mackie Shilstone.

The point I was making, was that every fighter reacts different to different circumstances.

Chad was a lot younger than Roy, and if he and John Scully hadn't thought that it was possible to have made the weight, they'd never have agreed to the fight. That's obvious. You can read John's view of things online.

 

well there is medical proof that he has doped so hes a cheat end of

 

I would like to see a link that proves losing muscle at the age of 35 CAN'T permemantly damage the fast twitch muscles, with an already declining fighter that relied so much on his reflexes...

To me it seems common sense, I don't have the time to research, but I have experience in weight cutting...

Is Zod trying to argue that Roy was prime in Tarver 2? I am confused.

 

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