Floyd Mayweather vs Ray Leonard...

Most of the boxing world beg to differ to your opinion. But you are entitled to it :good

 

no, it's just you that disagrees with this opinion, not the entire world. Otherwise, your opinion would have more clout

 

None of the reputable boxing writers accounts of Leonard vs Hagler described Hagler as having performed like an old bag or an immobile stiff :-(

If you think they did feel free to post an example :think

 

Leonard beats Floyd at 147lbs.And most everybody else.

 

Of course Leonard was prime for the Norris and Camacho fights, that's why you can so confidently make your prediction Albert.

Leonard beat a reasonable boxer in Benitez I think.

 

Leonard, would beat floyd as a welter with utter impunity. This, is not floyds best division!!!

 

I don't know why people keep hypothesizing a bout between these 2 men.

Floyd fought at 125 lbs in the Olympics, Ray Leonard was a Light WW. That's a 15 lb difference as teenagers.

FLoyd campaigned for a good chunk of his career at SFW and slowly went up in weight classes. SRL started as a BIG WW and fought at LHW.

I mean this is a guy who had his rematch with Hearns at the SMW limit.

It's essentially asking how would FLoyd Mayweather do against Andre Ward. It's such a stupid hypothetical matchup to make when one man clearly has all the physical advantages. The only man in the fab 4 that was close in physical stature to FLoyd is Duran, another guy who came from a smaller weight division.

More realistic fights IMO for FLoyd is guys around his size- specifically guys like Chavez Sr., Pryor, Ghetto Wizard, Duran, Gans, Armstrong, Pea, Nelson, Taylor and Arguello. Now these guys were all close to Floyd in size and weight. Not a 5 "10 ATG who was able to beat champions at SMW and LHW. That's just a nutty hypothetical matchup. There's a reason why weight divisions exist in boxing.

 

Enough said :good

 

Lalonde was forced to come in at 169 for the Leonard fight, and Leonard never weighed anything like 175 in his career.

Mayweather is as good if not better than anyone Leonard fought skillwise, and without doubt has a better ring IQ than ANYONE Leonard fought.

Personally I wouldn't back Mayweather to win, but to say Leonard would win a h2h comfortably is nonsense.

It also makes me laugh when the same people who claim Leonards size advantage would be of great importance, dismiss the same argument in cases such as Louis / Marciano, or Frazier against a Lewis, or a Klitchko.

Yet more nostalgic garbage.

 

I should've been a little more clear in my analysis, I don't think Leonard would've "whitewashed' Mayweather at WW. I don't think any WW can just beat up on FLoyd like he was a 2nd tier fighter. That's a testament to his ATG skillset.

IMO I think FLoyd as a pure boxer goes is probably one of the 5 best of all time. I know that comment might sound insane to some, but when you look at his overall skillset, his elite defense and his ring generalship, I think he's in the same category with greats like Pea WHitaker and Willie Pep.

But come on, Leonard was always a much larger man than FLoyd Mayweather. I just recently re-watched his SMW draw against Tommy Hearns, another physical freak who would be a bad matchup stylistically to anyone at WW just based solely on his size, power and incredible reach.

It has nothing to do with nostalgia, it's just that Leonard is way too big for FLoyd. The only WW guys in the 80's that campaigned at the time when Leonard and Hearns were WW's that I think FLoyd would've been to POSSIBLY beat are Duran (a 50-50 fight in my eyes,) and Benitez (another great defensive fighter.)

Guys like SRR, SRL and Hearns were physical freaks at WW, something that I think is quite clear given how much success they had at higher weights later on in their careers. That's why I never pose a H2H matchup between FLoyd and any of those 3 great fighters.

 

Can't stand either of them...but Leonard wins this by UD...

 

just listen to the commentary round six. the quote mentioned by Ryan coming from none other than Leonard himself "Sugar Ray said he was COUNTING on the slowness of Hagler. he said Hagler had lost a lot of speed"

so why would I take into consideration the boxing writers who are Leonard fans themselves???

did u not read the issue o KO magazine that covered the fight, regarding the futures of both Leonard & Hagler, saying Hagler's reflexes were non existent and his legs looked dead?

think about it. If Hagler was not a used up punching bag, why didnt he return to boxing and try to get any one of the versions of his title back, especially after having established himself as a bigtime fighter?

how's that for an example?

 

so why didnt the odds reflect that?

Ray was heavily favored and no one gave Terry a chance. the fact is, Ray had never faced anyone with Terry's all around skill set combined with terrifying speed which, terrified Leonard all night long!

Just look at the difference in performances; Ray, wins every round against a plodding 38 year old Duran, only touched once. Then, in his next fight, faces the fleet footed Norris who was, let's face it, unlike any opponent Ray had faced including the "reasonable" Benitez

I said fighters with SPEED!

as for a smaller man not being able to whip Leonard, what abot Duran who jumped two divisions and utfought the five years younger wleterweight? not to mention the past his prime Camacho, who we ALL KNOW was STILL IN IS PRIME ALBERT!

seriously, just look how well he fared in the Chavez fight five years earlier

having come up three divisions to overcome the five inches in height and 7 inches in reach to BACK UP the bigger man and KNOCK HIM OUT


so u see? it all evens out. besides, we all know how well Leonard does in fights with a good five year rest

 

Hagler himself says he was in terrific shape in this interview.

Interesting to hear him talk about the Hearns fight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4uJMdmqHPQ

 

Complete agreement.