Every Bernard Hopkins win adds to the legacy of Joe Calzaghe

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  1. des3995

    des3995 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Calz·ag·her·a·tion

    calˌzagəˈrāSHən/Submit
    noun
    noun: exaggeration; plural noun: exaggerations as pertaining to retired pugilist Joe Calzaghe
    1.
    a statement that represents something as better or worse than it really is.
    "it would be an exaggeration to say I had morning sickness, but I did feel queasy"
    synonyms: overstatement, overemphasis, magnification, amplification, aggrandizement; dramatization, elaboration, embellishment, embroidery, hyperbole, overkill, gilding the lily
    "his testimony was a laughable mix of contradiction and exaggeration"
    the action of making statements that represent something as better or worse than it really is.
    "he was prone to Calzagheration"
     
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    Don't get me wrong ..Hopkins is in remarkable shape. But what he's really doing is exposing how stiff and ordinary the current crop of paper champs are at 175. Including Pascal who gasses after 5 rounds.

    If Calzaghe's career definer is a 44 year old version of Hopkins then Calzaghe didnt have much of a career to talk about. Nobody gave Dawson credit for dominating old man Hopkins so why would JC get credit for barely beating him? Old men are supposed to lose fights at the top level.
     
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    If anything, it adds to the legacy of Roy Jones.
     
  4. freedom2013

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    Difference is, Taylor was knocked out by Pavlik, who Hopkins dominated, as well as by Froch and Abraham. Jones and Dawson were both brutally KOed, Jones by several boxers, and Dawson by feather-fisted Ward and by Stevenson.

    Joe was never knocked out and retired undefeated at 46-0.
     
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    Who has Calzaghe beaten that's better than anyone Hopkins has beaten?
     
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    Eubank and Kessler who were better at the weight Calzaghe beat them, than anyone Hopkins beat at a weight he fought them
     
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    As for the thread start.

    It was a very good win for Calzaghe because he was fighting Hopkins at a weight that suited Hopkins rather than where he was drained at MW.
    Calzaghe also did it sandwiched between arguably Hopkins best wins of Tarver, Wright and Pavlik, where Calzaghe came up in weight and seems to have been the only fighter who looked the stronger down the straight against Hopkins, having Hopkins wanting time out and scoring the most convincing win over Hopkins in how Hopkins was hanging on, something that hasnt happened before or since.
     
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    Ray fought better opposition and probably used better coke than Joe. I'm sure Calslappy's coke was just like his resume, very weak and diluted. 46-0.. LMAO..
     
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    How is the resume of someone who beat the whos who of their division that would face him weak? Winning WBO WBC WBA IBF Ring SMW titles, Ring LHW title, having beaten, Reid, Woodhall, Veit, Brewer, Lacy, Bika, Jones Jnr, Mitchell, Eubank, Hopkins who all had held or would hold or were holding world titles in the division Calzaghe beat them in and were all top 10, and even beating the fighters that beat fighters like C Woods, J Braehmer, G Johnson to name a few.
    Doesnt look weak at all or diluted
     
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    You have to understand that Joe beating Jeff Lacy is apparently like Douglas beating Tyson across the pond. Lacy was never as good as advertised and was a hype job like Broner. Of course the Calslappy fans don't want to entertain that. Instead their defense of Lacy being total dog**** is because some other American fighters thought Joe would lose and he was an underdog.

    What's that you say? An American network hypeD up an up and coming fighter who had beaten nobody of note and some fellow Americans hopped on the bandwagon. Nooooooo, that makes no sense whatsoever.
     
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    It often takes another fighter to end the hype which is what Calzaghe did.
    Calzaghe beat a fighter in Lacy who has a better resume than many of the current top 10 and who was on a good winning run and expected to win. Lacy had some good wins over top 10 comp.
    Its similar with how so many try and claim Toneys win over Jirov was something more, but tell me what Jirovs top 5 wins were?
     
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    Again, Calzaghe had a great reign after beating Chris in Cardiff even if it was supposed to be Steve Collins and he had incredible displays of skills, power, handspeed, footwork, tons of heart and stamina, will and desire crowned with wins against Lacy, Kessler, but specially Roy Jones Jnr since no other British SMW or LHW had done that. Hopkins had an incredible career at MW. Both had achievements at LHW against guys who once dominated but against each other, Calzaghe had na extra in energy and willpower. That's just about it, they are well related and one is not criticizing the other. They followed different paths and still follow different ways. Respect.
     
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    You like Calslappy and believe him to be an ATG, who would beat any and every fighter who ever existed from 160-175. That's A Ok with me, you are absolutely entitled to that. What's funny is outside this forum, Calzaghe isn't nearly as highly regarded as one would believe with his padded pristine 46-0 record and all. Calzaghe is an ATG in Wales or even the UK or Europe, but on the world stage, I don't see any reputable member of the boxing community putting Joe in the same breath as Robinson, Hagler, Armstrong etc.. Fighters historically regarded as among the best to have ever laced them up. Again, everyone has their own opinions. You think the guy was God, I thought he was slightly better than terrible. One of us is right I suppose.
     
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    As you say, we are all entitled to our own opinions, but back to my question below -
    How is the resume of someone who beat the whos who of their division that would face him weak? Winning WBO WBC WBA IBF Ring SMW titles, Ring LHW title, having beaten, Reid, Woodhall, Veit, Brewer, Lacy, Bika, Jones Jnr, Mitchell, Eubank, Hopkins who all had held or would hold or were holding world titles in the division Calzaghe beat them in and were all top 10, and even beating the fighters that beat fighters like C Woods, J Braehmer, G Johnson to name a few.
    Doesnt look weak at all or diluted