The myth about Tyson's weak opposition

THAT buster Douglas beats the **** out of Dempsey...

 

Based on what?

 

Give me the top 10 wins for the following guys.

Foreman, Holmes, Lewis, Holyfield, Bowe.
These are the guys he's normally measured up against.

Ill be eagerly awaiting your reply.

 

Size + Skill + knowing how to put the 2 together = long night for Jack (or a short one)

 

Take that to the general where people like you belong. Maybe Tyson raped you in prison or something?

Not really, Tyson went on to beat Stewart in 1 round (who gave a good account of himself against the 3 other top heavyweights of the time in Holyfield and Foreman and Moorer)
He beat a dangerous heavyweight in Ruddock TWICE, back to back. Name me some heavyweights who fought a dangerous fighter in their prime back to back, someone they had been accused of ducking for 3 years. Tyson pushed Ruddocks **** in. Tyson went to prison and still won 2 titles, so how was he finished after Douglas? If anything it was Douglas who was finished after Tokyo.

You base this on Holyfield beat Tyson who'd boxed about 8 rounds in 5 years?

Lewis himself went on record during the HBO documentary and said after sparring a younger Tyson he would never want to fight this animal. Even when they did fight in 2002 he made sure Tyson had nothing left in the tank before firing his right hand, certainly not the sign of someone who was very confident. Steward had to SCREAM at Lewis to get Tyson out of there asap, Tyson would have ****ed Lewis up and Lewis knows it. Thats why at the end of their fight, Lewis admitted, nobody could stop a young Tyson.

Tell me about Holyfields reign, the one that lasted half as long as Tysons then, or what about Lewis who beat Tyson leftovers in Ruddock and Tucker and then gets Kod by Tysons sparring partner? or what about Bowes?
Mikey Boys opposition was just as good as Lewis and Holyfields, it was miles ahead of Bowes and Holmes.

 

That logic simply dosn't wash.

Douglas is a basicaly fighter with one great fight, who could loose to some realy average opponents.

There is no justification for assuming that he would beat any ATG, that he didn't beat in the real world.

 

If you really think 2nd tier fighters like Mercer and Rahman are beating even a good version of post prison Tyson, then YDKSAB. Rahman was worse than ****ing Trevor Berbick. Seriously, whats Rahman going to do? beat Tyson with an overhand right?

Right but Ali did lose to Trevor Berbick....shall i carry on?

Tell me about Holyfields title reign and Lewis' and Bowes please, actually describe Larry Holmes title reign too while your at it.

Because maybe unlike you, a lot of people actually know what theyre talking about?
Lewis 'i need to beat Tyson to secure my legacy'
Holyfield 'Me and Tyson were the best 2 heavyweights of the era, so i had to beat him'
Holyfields brother 'After beating Tyson, Holyfield had now beat the man he needed to be considered great, Evander could retire straight after that and no one could question his greatness'

Lewis and Holyfield wanted to cement their legacies by beating a GREAT fighter like Tyson. But no, maybe you know better than them

1985-2002, thats 17 years as a top heavyweight. How long was Foreman on top for? or Dempsey? Frazier? Marciano?

Tyson vs Botha, Tyson vs Mathis, theres your plan B. And maybe you should watch the Douglas fight in round 8, where Tyson's plan B was within a second or 2 of getting him the W

Are you serious? people with charisma dont become the most popular face on the planet. People with no charisma dont make $300-400m+ in a business all about entertaining people.

because as i said before, you dont know **** about boxing.

 

well then the opposite too applies, Dempsey never beat anyone like Douglas or Tyson or Holyfield or Lewis.

 

It's a complete load of crap ..

Berbick was a bigger, stronger Bonavena
Thomas, still near prime was a very tough fighter with a nasty jab, size, strength and ability
Smith was exceptionally strong, huge and a monster puncher
Tucker was a huge boxer puncher with a tremendous amateur pedigree
Tyrell Briggs was huge, athletic, a strong boxer with a terrific jab and out stand amateur experience
Holmes was faded, no question .. he was also destroyed ..
Tubbs was still young, very talented and crushed
Spinks, an all time great light heavyweight, was crouched ..
Bruno was huge, strong, had a terrific jab and power
Williams, another giant with terrific skills was crushed ..

These guys were all huge, strong as hell, young and talented. This lineup was far better than the guys that fought Dempsey, the best ten of Louis' reign, much better than Marciano's or either of Ali's .. Tyson destroyed these guys because for that short moment in time he was an absolute holy terror .. he blew it all , he threw it all away, he got all that he ultimately deserved but the 86 - 88 Tyson was an exceptional fighter and only a handful of men that ever lived would have defeated him .. maybe.

 

Id go as far as to say Tysons pre prison opponents were better than Ali's pre exile opponents

In fact Tysons first title reign was better than Holyfields, Lewis and Bowe's and just as good as Ali's

 

Tyson was unified and undefeated champion with multiple title defences at that age, as well as having hundreds of millions of dollars in the bank and he was by far the most well known face on the planet bar none.

Name me any fighter who had achieved that by that age.
Lets see where the following fighters were at the age of 23

Holmes didnt even turn pro until he was 24

Foreman, was fighting the likes of Clarence Boon and Joe Murphy Goodwin at the age of 23, and by the age of 25 Foreman was mentally ruined,, so much that Foreman couldnt hack another loss so he quit boxing after the Young debacle.

Lewis hadnt even turned pro yet. Lewis was a pro for 5 years when he was KTFO by Mcall, at the age of 29. Tyson had been pro for 5 years too before his first loss. The age Lewis was getting KTFO by Mcall, Tyson was coming out of prison and getting stopped by Holyfield

Holyfield was fighting Jeff Meacham, Rck Myers and Tyrone Booze at 23

Bowe at 23 was fighting Elijah Tillery, Bruce Seldon and Phil Brown and was Just 2 years older than when Tyson lost to Douglas. And he was 28 when Golota kicked his ass, at that age Tyson was still locked in prison

Wladmir by the age of 23 had already been knocked out by Purrity

Vitali didnt even turn pro until he was 25, 4 years later he was quitting due to a shoulder injury to Chris Byrd.

the only guy who can come closest to Tyson is Frazier, who by the age of 27 had climbed his everest by beating Muhammad Ali and at 29 was picking himself up off the canvas from Foreman, around that same age Tyson was just coming out of prison

Id go as far to say that Tyson pre prison was much more well known and respected than pre exile Ali. Obviously what happened after their layoffs cements their legacies.

As far as im concerned, the others, at the age of 23, werent good enough to carry Tysons jockstrap.

Put in a 22-23 year old Tyson against all of the above at the same age and most of them wont even see the final bell.

 

And Tyson did all this as a goddamned midget. I've stood next to him twice, both times when he was still boxing. He is diminutive. Broad and deep but short in height and of limb. Holyfield talked about it recently, that the most overlooked thing about Tyson is how small he was and that he was destroying giants. Such was his talent and skill. Such was his menace.

 

right on!

 

i think people are missing the boat on tyson and his height,the way he fought and what Cus wanted for him,being only 5'10" was a POSITIVE! he was hard to hit and got "under" his opponents.orlin norris did not have mike's power but he actually fought successfully from the outside! and he was 5'10". i recently read frazier was not 5'11".5 but just 5'10" and marciano was 5'9",so the short guys were very competitive at heavyweight,the problem is not many at under 6' can carry 220lb or more in a good fashion.

 

Yet again, allow me to correct the ****** fanboys ( Azzers ) blatant lies. What Lewis actually said about the teenage sparring sessions between him and the subhuman s.e.x .offender was. " I went into the ring with him to have a normal spar, but he came at me like a caged animal, trying to take my head off with every punch "
Possibly not important, but I hate vermin like Tozzer posting revisionist garbage which tries to convince other folks that his adulation of a filthy s.e.x. beast is admirable.

Furthermore it was D'AMATO who stopped the sparring after the 3RD session because it was his " protege " who was getting FVCKED for want of a better word.