The "All Things Mayweather/Pacquiao" Express!!!!!!

Floyd has power. Not devastating power. But power to hurt you, yes.

Mosley is on record saying Canelo and Floyd punch the same.
Marquez is on record saying Pacquiao hits harder, but Floyd has good power and is a better fighter.
Steve Forbes is on record saying they hit the same.

Marquez is not more dangerous, because Floyd does everything that Marquez troubled Pacquiao with, better. It's as simple as that. He's longer, he's smarter, he's faster.

Pac has never been in with someone like Floyd. I don't even think Pac has been in with anyone as fast him. Ever. Correct me if I'm wrong. But he hasn't.

Floyd was in with Judah who was faster than him. I know how he reacts to speed. Pac has never been in with someone who can beat him to the punch.

Bradley has good speed, but he's not faster than Pac.

Floyd is just as fast, and quicker to the punch. I can't see Pac beating Floyd. Obviously he's an ATG, but I think Floyd is all wrong for him.

DLH 147
Hatton 140
Cotto 145
Clottey 147
Concrete Fists 150
Mosley 147
Dinamita 147
Bradley 147
Rios 147

None of them have great defense, or equalizing speed.

 

Pac doesn't even close distance properly....STILL!

Floyd will pick him apart with that significant reach advantage...excellent timing and disciplined distance control.....Pac's fukked...at any point in their careers!

I didnt even mention Floyd's other intangibles he is great at!

 

I'm confused.

So it has been documented that Roach said that Pac can still make 140.
Does this mean that FMJ can still make 140 himself so that we can support the claim that they are essentially the same size since they can make the same weight? Any links would be most appreciated.

I'm not trolling here. Really really confused that some people would think FMJ can still make 140 because history suggests he can't anymore when he wouldn't even make the agreed catch weight with JMM.

Same thing about 154. FMJ can fight comfortably there, hell he has a legit belt there.
Pac on the other hand tried to dip his toes in that division by fighting at a catchweight of 150 and immediately decided to never go up again.

My opinion is they are a division apart. Only reason why Pac is in WW is because the big fights are there. If there's another big name in 140, I'd bet my ass that Pac will also be there and, unlike FMJ, won't have any problems doing so.

 

It's not the size difference, it's the skill/power/style that Void is afraid of. Void does not believe he can beat Pac, his running for years proves it, not to mention all the excuses he has made up............

 

It's not all about ht. but when it comes to Pac and Floyd they are definitely one weight class apart.

When I compare Pac to other HoF'ers I think of guys like Willy Pep, Alexis Arguello, Sandy Sadler, Salvador Sanchez, Juan Manuel Marquez, Marco Antonio Barrera, Erik Morales, Naseem Hamed, Azumah Nelson, Kevin Kelley etc. (FW's)

When I think about HoF'ers I would have matched Mayweather with I think of guys like Duran, Armstrong, Whitaker, Chavez, Pryor, Camacho, Cervantes, Ramirez, Castillo, Corrales etc. (LW's)

Essentially the difference between Pac and May is the same as the difference between FMJ and SRL, and I think we all can agree SRL is a true WW where FMJ is a LW.

= Pac(FW) May(LW) SRL(WW) small discrepancy in height but clear size/class differences

 

Manny has better footwork than FMJ

 

Like you said: Floyd is a slow starter, and that's Manny's window of opportunity. I would like him to go all out and try to knock him out. He sure as hell isn't gonna win against Mayweather by boxing him. Better to go out in a blaze of glory (or win by KO) than get schooled for 12 rounds.

 

Pac has speed, power, is a southpaw, punches from all angles, fast on his feet and is the wrong style for Mayweather......................Mayweather himself knows he might lose to Pac and it's that fear that will not allow him to fight Pac, the biggest PPV event in boxing history and the largest payday by far................

 

Castillo also outweighed Floyd by a good margin when they fought, and it was Floyd's first foray into 135. Castillo was very good at cutting off the ring which is something Pac isn't adept at doing.
DLH and Cotto was 9-3 fights. Competitive yes, but he surely didn't 'struggle' as you claim. They also had good and educated jabs. Something Pac isn't very adept at doing.

Best chance Pac has is catching Floyd with something early on. His chances of winning exponentially becomes worse the longer the fight goes

 

all i know is floyd fought at 106 when he was 16 and it is said that pac fought i 106 when he was 16. i think pac turned pro early age to make money and floyd aint turn pro until his dad felt like he was ready experience wise.

i know floyd comes in at 146 and re hydrates to 146 - 150. pacman has to be with in that range as well. biggest fighter may faced was oscar and canelo, biggest fighter manny faced was oscar and margarito. i think floyd is 5 pounds naturally bigger then manny maybe less.

 

:deal

 

agreed.

morales, barrera atgs.

pedjr = king of bums.:good

 

Well I guess then it is settled according to your theory, an offense neutralizing defense with a great counter punching ability doesn't matter or in fact exist in boxing. So, we will just conveniently omit that aspect of Floyd's skills.

Plus you assume Floyd doesn't have the ability to hurt or even stun Pac when other boxers. that are not heavy punchers, have.

Plus unlike the beastmode Pac of yesteryear, that immediately responded to getting hit with a punch that hurt him, the current, new but still like the old "killer instinct is back" version of Pac showed hesitation when he was hit by light hitting Bradley with a good punch.

I'm not saying Pac cant beat FMJ, he has more than a puncher's chance, but at this point in their respective careers, IMHO I would say its a 70-30% in favor of FMJ.

One last thing that addresses common opponents, styles make fights! Also their common opponents had contracted physical disadvantages (catchweights, fighting out of their idea weight classes, promoter pressure, and the lure of a huge payday)either imposed on or agreed upon with both FMJ and Pac when they fought them respectively. Of these common opponents, JMM is the only one that was disadvantaged by both fighters(brought up 2 weight classes). And the closest we can compare how they both fared is JMM vs Pac 3 and FMJ vs JMM. The results speak for themselves.

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Viva El Box.

 

Great Post!

Non fighting weight and in non boxing terms May is a bit heavier, within 5 pounds, than Manny's walk around weight. That is quite insignificant considering there are superfeathers, lightweights and LWWs that walk around heavier than both FMJ and Pac.

 

Its also well known Floyd doesnt cut weight before weigh ins and is still weighing less than full limit.

And **** it...why not just say three classes.

Lets just completely ignore they weigh the same.